Tesla saves Rivian - Mammoth Mountain Edition

[fyton2v]

This forum needs balanced content for potential owners. If you look at my posting history you will see consistent criticism of the charging experience/infrastructure and contrasts with Tesla. Of course, I'm going to post when my lived experience continues to support those views.

I would prefer all of the vitriolic anti-Tesla folks skipped these threads, so the next time you see a title mentioning Tesla just move along, same for COdogman, Dark-fx, and DuoRivians

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[COdogman]

This forum needs balanced content for potential owners. If you look at my posting history you will see consistent criticism of the charging experience/infrastructure and contrasts with Tesla. Of course, I'm going to post when my lived experience continues to support those views.

I would prefer all of the vitriolic anti-Tesla folks skipped these threads, so the next time you see a title mentioning Tesla just move along, same for COdogman, Dark-fx, and DuoRivians

Am I allowed to comment on terrible vacation planning and hypocrisy?

 

[CharonPDX]

Am I allowed to comment on terrible vacation planning and hypocrisy?

I have a corrected headline: “Resort-run Tesla-made charging station saves Rivian owner from his own poor trip planning.”

 

[SoCal Rob]

This forum needs balanced content for potential owners. If you look at my posting history you will see consistent criticism of the charging experience/infrastructure and contrasts with Tesla. Of course, I'm going to post when my lived experience continues to support those views.

I would prefer all of the vitriolic anti-Tesla folks skipped these threads, so the next time you see a title mentioning Tesla just move along, same for COdogman, Dark-fx, and DuoRivians

I completely agree that the forum needs balanced content for potential owners. That’s why my post history includes criticism of Rivian as well as praise. To demonstrate how balanced you are, why not show us how balanced you are? Please post links to 5 of your posts, out of the 56 you’ve created as of now, which do include something positive about Rivian and which don’t include something negative about Rivian and don’t include something positive about Tesla. They can’t be edited within the last week, either. Showing us 5 out of 56 is less than 10%, which isn’t exactly balanced, but it would show some effort.

As it stands now, I think you come across objectively as a troll after I skimmed through your posting history. Heck, even your signature can’t stay focused on the Rivian product you denigrated BEFORE purchasing while avoiding praise of a Tesla product by you and your kids: “R1S LE Midnight/BM Underbody 21". Reserved 11/2020, Delivered broken 12/2022. 2020 Model Y, delivered working 9/20 and the kids love it.”

 

[scottie]

I completely agree that the forum needs balanced content for potential owners. That’s why my post history includes criticism of Rivian as well as praise. To demonstrate how balanced you are, why not show us how balanced you are? Please post links to 5 of your posts, out of the 56 you’ve created as of now, which do include something positive about Rivian and which don’t include something negative about Rivian and don’t include something positive about Tesla. They can’t be edited within the last week, either. Showing us 5 out of 56 is less than 10%, which isn’t exactly balanced, but it would show some effort.

As it stands now, I think you come across objectively as a troll after I skimmed through your posting history. Heck, even your signature can’t stay focused on the Rivian product you denigrated BEFORE purchasing while avoiding praise of a Tesla product by you and your kids: “R1S LE Midnight/BM Underbody 21". Reserved 11/2020, Delivered broken 12/2022. 2020 Model Y, delivered working 9/20 and the kids love it.”

Content doesn't have to be balanced *by user.* The issue with this particular forum is the number of vitriolic pro-Rivian members that flood into every thread to bash owners that post bad experiences. These folks are not high quality people and some of them are incredibly financially conflicted.

My life does not revolve around a vehicle, the vehicle is there to get me and my family safely and efficiently to our destinations. I drop by this forum when something goes awry and I'm sufficiently frustrated and motivated to post. Rivian does monitor these forums and they sometimes take action based on the community's sentiment.

Rivian positions itself as a company that enables and supports Adventure with a price point to boot. They have absolutely under-delivered on a charging network that supports Adventure - so much so that they will migrate their product to a different connector and network built by a company that has absolutely over-delivered on network user experience, infrastructure, and reliability.

I don't post on the Tesla forums because there have been ~0 times my plans have been derailed by something Tesla has claimed responsibility for (charging network, mobile service, quality of product and user experience) - that's my honest experience.

I updated my signature bc so many comments suggest I buy a Tesla and again it represents my honest experience - the Rivian was delivered broken and required a week to repair an incredibly dangerous fault, while the Tesla was fine.

I had some time on the lifts and the drive down the mountain to engage on this forum - I'm signing off for now. Hopefully the NACS adapter will arrive soon and the home to destination experience will be VASTLY improved due to the extensive and reliable Tesla supercharging network.

All of the anti-Tesla RJ fanboys can go kick rocks or more likely CCS charging boxes; I hope they feel the slow burn of hypocrisy everytime they plug in to a Tesla supercharger as not a single one of them committed to rejecting the NACS adapter.

Tesla saves Rivian!

 

[Redline]

The ramblings of a cultist.

 

[beaker]

Content doesn't have to be balanced *by user.* The issue with this particular forum is the number of vitriolic pro-Rivian members that flood into every thread to bash owners that post bad experiences. These folks are not high quality people and some of them are incredibly financially conflicted.

My life does not revolve around a vehicle, the vehicle is there to get me and my family safely and efficiently to our destinations. I drop by this forum when something goes awry and I'm sufficiently frustrated and motivated to post. Rivian does monitor these forums and they sometimes take action based on the community's sentiment.

Rivian positions itself as a company that enables and supports Adventure with a price point to boot. They have absolutely under-delivered on a charging network that supports Adventure - so much so that they will migrate their product to a different connector and network built by a company that has absolutely over-delivered on network user experience, infrastructure, and reliability.

I don't post on the Tesla forums because there have been ~0 times my plans have been derailed by something Tesla has claimed responsibility for (charging network, mobile service, quality of product and user experience) - that's my honest experience.

I updated my signature bc so many comments suggest I buy a Tesla and again it represents my honest experience - the Rivian was delivered broken and required a week to repair an incredibly dangerous fault, while the Tesla was fine.

I had some time on the lifts and the drive down the mountain to engage on this forum - I'm signing off for now. Hopefully the NACS adapter will arrive soon and the home to destination experience will be VASTLY improved due to the extensive and reliable Tesla supercharging network.

All of the anti-Tesla RJ fanboys can go kick rocks or more likely CCS charging boxes; I hope they feel the slow burn of hypocrisy everytime they plug in to a Tesla supercharger as not a single one of them committed to rejecting the NACS adapter.

Tesla saves Rivian!

I bought a Rivian in large part because of endless problems I had with my Teslas, but hey to each his own.

I hope your wife likes her Rivian despite your disappointment in her decision.

 

[krockett]

Here’s hoping that his wife’s Rivian remains in great operating condition and/or stays in the garage…so we don’t have another 9+ page thread on something like this.

I recently came back from Mammoth myself and had the same range anxiety concerns, but I mitigated it by 1) renting an Airbnb with lvl 2 charging, 2) topped off at Bishop before arriving in Mammoth. Turns out all I needed was to top off at Bishop and even lvl 1 charging would have been more than sufficient, if even necessary at all.

My wife has a Model Y, and while it has been trouble free more or less, I would have never considered taking that up to Mammoth, even with the minor charging “concern” with Rivian.

 

[COdogman]

Content doesn't have to be balanced *by user.* The issue with this particular forum is the number of vitriolic pro-Rivian members that flood into every thread to bash owners that post bad experiences. These folks are not high quality people and some of them are incredibly financially conflicted.

My life does not revolve around a vehicle, the vehicle is there to get me and my family safely and efficiently to our destinations. I drop by this forum when something goes awry and I'm sufficiently frustrated and motivated to post. Rivian does monitor these forums and they sometimes take action based on the community's sentiment.

Rivian positions itself as a company that enables and supports Adventure with a price point to boot. They have absolutely under-delivered on a charging network that supports Adventure - so much so that they will migrate their product to a different connector and network built by a company that has absolutely over-delivered on network user experience, infrastructure, and reliability.

I don't post on the Tesla forums because there have been ~0 times my plans have been derailed by something Tesla has claimed responsibility for (charging network, mobile service, quality of product and user experience) - that's my honest experience.

I updated my signature bc so many comments suggest I buy a Tesla and again it represents my honest experience - the Rivian was delivered broken and required a week to repair an incredibly dangerous fault, while the Tesla was fine.

I had some time on the lifts and the drive down the mountain to engage on this forum - I'm signing off for now. Hopefully the NACS adapter will arrive soon and the home to destination experience will be VASTLY improved due to the extensive and reliable Tesla supercharging network.

All of the anti-Tesla RJ fanboys can go kick rocks or more likely CCS charging boxes; I hope they feel the slow burn of hypocrisy everytime they plug in to a Tesla supercharger as not a single one of them committed to rejecting the NACS adapter.

Tesla saves Rivian!

Just to summarize:

1. Your wife wanted a Rivian. (Rivian's fault)
2. You knew when the Rivian was purchased there was no RAN in this location. (Rivian's fault)
3. You traveled to this location knowing there was no RAN in this location. (Rivian's fault)
4. The L2 Tesla station there only had 1 functioning charger. (Rivian's fault)
5. Global warming. (Rivian's fault)
6. Inflation. (Rivian's fault)
7. WWII. (Rivian's fault)
8. Last episode of the Sopranos. (Rivian's fault)
9. Lindbergh baby kidnapping. (Rivian's fault)

 

[scottie]

Quick last post because I think sexism should be dealt with pro-actively.

The Rivian is mine (registered and owned), Tesla Model Y (registered and owned) is my wife's car. It really shouldn't matter anyway, no one on this forum should be accused of being or feel "emasculated". To the people in the comments glomming on to this type of rhetoric - you really should be ashamed of yourselves. I encourage anyone offended by their posts to flag/report them to the mods.

There was no childhood trauma involved in the decision making process.

 

[beaker]

Quick last post because I think sexism should be dealt with pro-actively.

The Rivian is mine (registered and owned), Tesla Model Y (registered and owned) is my wife's car. It really shouldn't matter anyway, no one on this forum should be accused of being or feel "emasculated". To the people in the comments glomming on to this type of rhetoric - you really should be ashamed of yourselves. I encourage anyone offended by their posts to flag/report them to the mods.

There was no childhood trauma involved in the decision making process.

Your wife asked for a Rivian and you wouldn’t register it in her name?

Kinda sexist, no?

 

[SoCal Rob]

Quick last post because I think sexism should be dealt with pro-actively.

The Rivian is mine (registered and owned), Tesla Model Y (registered and owned) is my wife's car. It really shouldn't matter anyway, no one on this forum should be accused of being or feel "emasculated". To the people in the comments glomming on to this type of rhetoric - you really should be ashamed of yourselves. I encourage anyone offended by their posts to flag/report them to the mods.

There was no childhood trauma involved in the decision making process.

I am curious why you purchased a Rivian when you were so anti-Rivian / pro-Tesla from the beginning.

It makes no sense to me since buying from a new manufacturer is a risk from the outset, in my experience. Now, I’m sure some people didn’t recognize the risk. However, other than the pre-hike flippers, the only people I’ve encountered who recognized that risk and yet purchased a Rivian, did so because they had very strong positive feelings about the product, the company, etc.

Unlike them, you showed dislike for the company from the beginning, yet you claim to have purchased a vehicle despite the risk and despite the higher than average new vehicle purchase price. I can only assume that there is some rationale in play I’m not taking into account. Please satisfy my curiosity and enlighten me regarding why you did this.

Also, I’d be curious to see the service ticket which describes the incredibly dangerous fault you had at delivery.

I’m not currently ignoring a single user on here and I’d like to keep it that way. In the past, the only accounts I set to ignore were Tesla cultists/trolls and not long after I ignored them they were banned from the site.

I don’t have anything at all against Tesla, the company. I have recommended and continue to recommend their products to people who would be well-served by them. Any significant complaints I have about their products seem to be the result of decisions made by Elon Musk, the person.

 

[scottie]

I am curious why you purchased a Rivian when you were so anti-Rivian / pro-Tesla from the beginning.

It makes no sense to me since buying from a new manufacturer is a risk from the outset, in my experience. Now, I’m sure some people didn’t recognize the risk. However, other than the pre-hike flippers, the only people I’ve encountered who recognized that risk and yet purchased a Rivian, did so because they had very strong positive feelings about the product, the company, etc.

Unlike them, you showed dislike for the company from the beginning, yet you claim to have purchased a vehicle despite the risk and despite the higher than average new vehicle purchase price. I can only assume that there is some rationale in play I’m not taking into account. Please satisfy my curiosity and enlighten me regarding why you did this.

Also, I’d be curious to see the service ticket which describes the incredibly dangerous fault you had at delivery.

I’m not currently ignoring a single user on here and I’d like to keep it that way. In the past, the only accounts I set to ignore were Tesla cultists/trolls and not long after I ignored them they were banned from the site.

I don’t have anything at all against Tesla, the company. I have recommended and continue to recommend their products to people who would be well-served by them. Any significant complaints I have about their products seem to be the result of decisions made by Elon Musk, the person.

Keep getting pulled back in...
I was pro-Rivian when I made the reservation, I surf, ski/snowboard, hike, wake surf, bike, etc. We had such a positive experience with Tesla, I was willing to gamble on an EV adventure vehicle at a higher price point from a new company. Years of delays, the IPO -> price hike fiasco, etc soured me on the company and leadership, but I still held out hope that the product and the Rivian Adventure Network would be worth the pain. I am actually still slightly hopeful Rivian can deliver the experience and product they told us they would build.

Cabin noise, glass roof heat/cold issues have been partly ameliorated with an after-market sunshade - but we lost the panoramic views

Ride quality just recently improved dramatically with Moderate mode.

I still don't understand how they didn't line up a manufacturer for snow tires for the standard 21" wheels - it's just plain dangerous to run the marketing campaigns they did for a 7000lb family adventure SUV that has no option for snow tires. Several owners got into trouble on ice/snow.

Poor charging infrastructure and reliability + vampire drain + poor efficiency is still a huge problem. Making noise about this has resulted in OTA partial updates for vampire drain and the adoption of NACS + partnership with Tesla for the supercharging network.

If the NACS adapter has poor reliability then I'll swap the Rivian for a Cayenne.

The delivery issue was a missing part in the steering column. When I turned the steering wheel left we heard a large clunk and it seemed to slip. The service technician told me it was not safe to drive home. I clicked the link for the service ticket, but the document is no longer available (I have no idea why Rivian does not persistently store service tickets in a remote document archive to keep the link active).

Fin

 

[RayzorBEV]

When my wife saw the first promo videos for the R1S "Adventure" vehicle cruising up a mountain with ski racks and a truck full of happy passengers, she turned to me and said, "I'm sold."

Fast forward 5 years, I am looking at the R1S range 'snow mode' and the 93 miles left has to last through freezing temps tonight, tomorrow, and then the trip down the mountain to Bishop. Based on the range loss I've seen the past few nights in much warmer weather, I think it will be a pretty close call and I just don't feel comfortable putting my family in that situation.

So, in a blizzard, I jump in the Rivian with my 21" All Seasons and ask Alexa to navigate to the only public J-connector charger in town...a level 2 *Tesla* box at the Mammoth Recreation Center that offers *free* charging.

Rivian navigation decides to take me the long way around on Old Mammoth Rd instead of straight down Meridian

I actually tried to charge at this Tesla station earlier in the day, but an R1T was charging at the only box out of 3 that connects successfully.

As I make the turn into the lot, I see a Lucid charging at one of the J-connector boxes that failed me earlier in the day. The Lucid obscures the view to the one charger that worked a few days ago, so as I plow through a foot or two of snow, I am super relieved to see the working box is available.

Thanks, I guess, for the Adventure RJ, I'm super pumped to sit in this parking lot for the next 2 hours. A sincere thanks to Elon for saving the trip by offering a working charging station for a connector you don't even use AND for offering NACS to the rest of the industry (RJ, I was hoping the adapter would be available for this trip...but we all know, by now, the large gap between Rivian product/feature announcement and delivery is really the only thing this company consistently offers).

Closed call
Yes, thank you Elon but also RJ for his vision on Rivian; adopt NACS early on and ti produce the R2 in Normal first, followed by R3 and R3X
Btw, spoke with Rivian, the first batch of adapters will be shipping out soon; in April

 

[vcao]

I did this trip (OC/LA to Mammoth) back in March after the big storm. Deep charged in Bishop going up the hill and I had about 70% left. Had about 5% discharge overnight. I was tempted to get a cabin with an EV charger, but I felt I could plan well enough not to need it. Next day, went snowboarding and wife drove all around town. Had about 55% on our last day and got to Bishop with about 40-ish percent. I could have made it to Olancha, but decided to top up there and stock up on snacks. Our R1S was perfect for this trip. Super comfortable and capable. It definitely ripped passing people on 395.

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