Stellantis EREV platform with 690 mile range

[kenyee]

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/jeep-ram-erevs-690-mile-range-platform/

Interesting that everyone seems to doing this EREV approach now...

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[Nixapatfan]

With the way EPA rules are there isn't much choice for manufacturers, if consumers aren't onboard with EV's then they need something to reduce their carbon footprint and fines. The risk here is if all the new battery tech actually makes it to market the erev market could collapse before it even has a chance to takeoff.

 

[hammick]

With the way EPA rules are there isn't much choice for manufacturers, if consumers aren't onboard with EV's then they need something to reduce their carbon footprint and fines. The risk here is if all the new battery tech actually makes it to market the erev market could collapse before it even has a chance to takeoff.

I have a feeling the EPA rules will be greatly relaxed or eliminated next year. Now whether the automakers relax their standards is anyone's guess.

 

[Dark-Fx]

With the way EPA rules are there isn't much choice for manufacturers, if consumers aren't onboard with EV's then they need something to reduce their carbon footprint and fines. The risk here is if all the new battery tech actually makes it to market the erev market could collapse before it even has a chance to takeoff.

People are going to buy these things and then literally never plug them in. I don't think there's a huge risk, people are always risk adverse.

 

[COdogman]

The way they are doing this, the BEV with range extender will probably never sell…

 

[MDH]

For those who are enamored with the potential of the REV and RAMCharger, understand Stellantis is having severe difficulty with EVs. Dodge Charger EVs are bricking at dealerships. More than half the EVs at the Windsor production facility (they only make 10-12 a day) won't charge. Wagoneer S has the same problem. Not true? Take a look at TK's Garage video where he shares photos and texts from employees. But the REV and RAM Charger will be good-to-go in a few months? Doubt it.

But let's say they figure it out. Why would you want the complexity of ICE and battery. If long range is important (and to many it is) why not just stay with proven ICE and get over 500 miles. Adding another 200 miles may seem worth it but most bladders can't handle more than 4 hours of sitting. You're going to stop anyway.

 

[DaveA]

For those who are enamored with the potential of the REV and RAMCharger, understand Stellantis is having severe difficulty with EVs. Dodge Charger EVs are bricking at dealerships. More than half the EVs at the Windsor production facility (they only make 10-12 a day) won't charge. Wagoneer S has the same problem. Not true? Take a look at TK's Garage video where he shares photos and texts from employees. But the REV and RAM Charger will be good-to-go in a few months? Doubt it.

But let's say they figure it out. Why would you want the complexity of ICE and battery. If long range is important (and to many it is) why not just stay with proven ICE and get over 500 miles. Adding another 200 miles may seem worth it but most bladders can't handle more than 4 hours of sitting. You're going to stop anyway.

Stellantis can't make a reliable ICE vehicle. I would stay far away from anything EV from them.

 

[NY_Rob]

Given their recent issues with EV batteries, no way I'd buy into one of their new electrified platforms (including the soon to be released pure EV Recon).
As of right now, there is still no "fix" for the thousands of PHEV Jeep vehicles produced between 2021 and Sept 2023. How can Stellantis sell new electrified vehicles when you have thousands of recently produced vehicles not able to charge their batteries because you have no fix for it? There is currently a "Stop Sale" order in effect at Jeep dealerships for their new PHEV vehicles sitting on dealer lots. That's just insane! How can you trust them that the same will not happen to their new products? Meanwhile, owners who bought their Jeep vehicles specifically to run completely on battery and can't are still making car and lease payments.

 

[TexasBob]

As with all things automotive these days, China is setting the pace and the BYD Shark is rocking the truck market around the world. Toyota (which is a dominant player outside the US with the Hilux) is going to get crushed unless it responds quickly. Ram is increasingly irrelevant. Stellantis is road kill. Geely or Tata will eventually buy the Jeep brand to add to their stable of Western brands.

 

[FinancialCents]

Is that 690 mile range until it breaks? ?

 

[NY_Rob]

Stellantis is road kill. Geely or Tata will eventually buy the Jeep brand to add to their stable of Western brands.

Seeing how Stellantis has run the jeep brand into the ground over the past several years, most Jeep owners and enthusiasts are hoping Jeep gets sold off very soon because no matter who buys it, they can't be any worse at running it than Stellantis has been.

 

[NY_Rob]

Is that 690 mile range until it breaks? ?

What happens if they have battery issues with this vehicle as well? At least with the current Jeep PHEV's (Grand Cherokee and Wrangler) that you are being told not to charge, you can still safely use them as a regular non-plug in hybrid vehicle (like a Prius). With the new platform, if you are told you can't charge the battery, you're dead in the water because the ICE has no physical connection to the drive wheels.

 

[FinancialCents]

What happens if they have battery issues with this vehicle as well? At least with the current Jeep PHEV's (Grand Cherokee and Wrangler) that you are being told not to charge, you can still safely use them as a regular non-plug in hybrid vehicle (like a Prius). With the new platform, if you are told you can't charge the battery, you're dead in the water because the ICE has no physical connection to the drive wheels.

That would be a bad day for folks who took that chance. Since a kid (80’s) I’ve known Chrysler/Jeep/Ram have poor reliability so I wouldn’t take that chance on this new technology with them.

 

[NY_Rob]

^ I would wait at least a year or two before jumping in that pool for sure

People killed GM for the Bolt fires.. which was not GM's fault (the cause was separator tab failures in the LG produced battery). With that in mind, GM stepped up to the plate and did the right thing by first limiting charging to 80% then replacing all the faulty batteries in all the Bolts.
Here we have Stellantis dicking around with two different SW updates that still haven't fixed anything and now they have admitted they have no current "fix" for their battery fire issue. The handwriting is on the wall that they will need to do what GM did and replace all the affected batteries vs just delaying and delaying alienating loyal jeep customers to the point where many are saying "never again" to a V product.

 

[zefram47]

I have a feeling the EPA rules will be greatly relaxed or eliminated next year. Now whether the automakers relax their standards is anyone's guess.

Even assuming US regulations back off mandates on EV sales, the rest of the world won't be. Most vehicle manufacturers, even US-based manufacturers, sell a lot of vehicles overseas and they'll still have to meet those requirements. Any manufacturer that dramatically changes their production plans based solely on US policy will get left behind.

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