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Looks like they are using the Samsung INR21700-50G Lithium-ion cell.

INR21700-50G
Minimum capacity: 4850mAh
Nominal voltage: 3.6V
Standard charge current: 1.6A (0.33C)
Charge cut-off current: 121mA (0.025C)
Max. charge current: 4.85A (1C)
Charge end voltage: 4.2V
Max. discharge current: 9.7A (2C)
Discharge cut-off voltage: 2.5V
Max pulse discharge: 14.55A (3C)
AC impedance at 1kHz: 14±5mΩ
Max weight: 69.5g

The math works correctly out for that cell:
4.85Ah X 3.6V = 17.46Wh
7,776 cells X 17.46Wh = 135.8kWh pack capacity


Here's test results of that particular cell compared to two other Samsung cells:
https://www.thunderheartreviews.com/2021/12/samsung-21700-50G-48G-50E-test-comparison.html
If you want to skip to the results... the cell Rivian uses is excellent!
 
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Well, that absolutely confirms that the door flashlight doesn’t contain the “7777th identical cell” - as my flashlight contains a 3.2V, 2Ah cell:

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Looks like they are using the Samsung INR21700-50G Lithium-ion cell.

INR21700-50G
Minimum capacity: 4850mAh
Nominal voltage: 3.6V
Standard charge current: 1.6A (0.33C)
Charge cut-off current: 121mA (0.025C)
Max. charge current: 4.85A (1C)
Charge end voltage: 4.2V
Max. discharge current: 9.7A (2C)
Discharge cut-off voltage: 2.5V
Max pulse discharge: 14.55A (3C)
AC impedance at 1kHz: 14±5mΩ
Max weight: 69.5g

The math works correctly out for that cell:
4.85Ah X 3.6V = 17.46Wh
7,776 cells X 17.46Wh = 135.8kWh pack capacity


Here's test results of that particular cell compared to two other Samsung cells:
https://www.thunderheartreviews.com/2021/12/samsung-21700-50G-48G-50E-test-comparison.html
If you want to skip to the results... the cell Rivian uses is excellent!
Am I reading the results correctly in that the cell retains 3880mAh of the original 4850mAh after 1000 cycles? Doesn't that kinda suck?
 

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Am I reading the results correctly in that the cell retains 3880mAh of the original 4850mAh after 1000 cycles? Doesn't that kinda suck?
The answer would be it depends on what you think sucks. It does mean that after 300,000 miles you should still have 80% capacity. You will probably have more because you didn't fully drain and then recharge the battery to 100% every time.
 

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Am I reading the results correctly in that the cell retains 3880mAh of the original 4850mAh after 1000 cycles? Doesn't that kinda suck?
That's nearly 300,000 miles worth (1,000 cycles x 130kwh battery x 2.25 mi/kwh). At that point you'd still have a 240 mile range battery. I'd say that's pretty good.

Now, that test was done at a charge rate of only .33C, which is equivalent to about 42 kw? I'm not knowledgeable enough to say whether you should expect similar results if you realize an average charge rate over that time of about 42kw, or what. If that were true (completely uneducated guess), I think most people will probably experience a far lower average charge rate. Quick math, if you charge at full 48a Level 2 (11kw) for 90% of your miles, and average say 150kw at DCFC for the other 10%, that would average out to about 25kw.
 

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Am I reading the results correctly in that the cell retains 3880mAh of the original 4850mAh after 1000 cycles? Doesn't that kinda suck?
If 1 cycle is "314 miles", that's 314,000 miles with an 80% retention rate. Isn't that kinda good? What's a Tesla look like at 300k miles? Or 100k miles?
 

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The answer would be it depends on what you think sucks. It does mean that after 300,000 miles you should still have 80% capacity. You will probably have more because you didn't fully drain and then recharge the battery to 100% every time.
A cycle is indifferent to how you charge, it just means a full 100%, so the 300k miles is accurate, regardless of if you do it all in full charges or lots of small ones.
 

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Well, that absolutely confirms that the door flashlight doesn’t contain the “7777th identical cell” - as my flashlight contains a 3.2V, 2Ah cell:

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Is it at least a 21700 cell and not an 18650 cell?
If it's a 21700 cell... it's a really lame, low capacity one.
 

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A cycle is indifferent to how you charge, it just means a full 100%, so the 300k miles is accurate, regardless of if you do it all in full charges or lots of small ones.
That is not what I understand. If say you charged and discharged the battery from 55% to 50% until you have reached the equivalent of 1000 cycles the battery should be much less degraded than if you did full discharges and recharges. I gleaned this from an interview with Bob Gaylen, but I don't remember which show.
 

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Does Rivian have a "not below xx% capacity after xx years" guarantee on the pack?
 

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That is not what I understand. If say you charged and discharged the battery from 55% to 50% until you have reached the equivalent of 1000 cycles the battery should be much less degraded than if you did full discharges and recharges. I gleaned this from an interview with Bob Gaylen, but I don't remember which show.
There may be differences in degradation between strategies, but a cycle is 100% of the capacity, however you arrive to it. I'm not sure whether that test specified how they were discharged for those results, but they were discharged the equivalent of 300k miles.
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