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I agree with you for a fully tested, debugged, and well-trained production line. But I can tell you from years of manufacturing experience, during the first few months of production where Rivian is at right now, it's absolutely more efficient to build the same thing repeatedly.

A simple example is the logistics of pre-staging interiors. If they plan to build only black interior vehicles, they can pre-stage 100% black interiors at each work cell, and focus on building those vehicles. If they mix orders with black and white interiors, any glitch in the interior pre-staging logistics systems between work cells takes the entire line down. You don't want that in early startup phases. So it's common to produce only one "version" initially so that the focus is on perfecting the main production line process without interruptions from side processes/systems.
That’s why I had the labour caveat in there 😉

streamlining part variants is likely also why they’re only building R1T at first.

there have been lots of stories of people getting a new production car and finding different colour driver and passenger side door cards for example.
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I think those numbers are close.

Just a few random thoughts:

I frequently have found myself wondering how many people had preordered by the time the configurator went live? I was VERY surprised LE was still available for a while to people who had not previously preordered. Or phrased another way, if tens of thousands of people had put down the initial $1000, why didn't they complete the configurator design process?

Fewer people actually put down the 1000 than we all thought, fewer LEs were being produced than we thought, a lot of people asked for the preorder refund over the years of waiting for Rivian to bring a product to market, or a combination of the three.

Admittedly this is anecdotal, but many of us are the only people in our circle of friends/family who have even HEARD of Rivian, let alone put down a 1000 bucks on a company that has never (until now) produced a production vehicle.

Rivian's vehicles are aimed at a VERY specific subset of the top 5% income bracket. They will remain niche products for at least the first several years.
Ah crap. I'm not even close to the top 5% income bracket. Do I have to cancel my order?
 

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Admittedly this is anecdotal, but many of us are the only people in our circle of friends/family who have even HEARD of Rivian, let alone put down a 1000 bucks on a company that has never (until now) produced a production vehicle.
Everyone in my circle of friends and acquaintances has heard of Rivian. One of them has even reserved a Rivian.

I might be responsible for all of my friends and acquaintances hearing about Rivian.
 

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Ah crap. I'm not even close to the top 5% income bracket. Do I have to cancel my order?
You might be surprised, only takes 50K to crack the top 4.9% of annual income in the world.....

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The above is quoted from RJ's August email.



The above is currently on their website: Rivian/Stories/Adventures Beginning Soon/Deliveries & Drives
Good precision. There are three lines; the third is running batteries. If that is the correct verb/gerund.
 

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It is a little confusing, or maybe I am just confused, but if LE editions will be delivered by Spring 2022, how can non-LE orders be delivered in Jan 2022?

Tough to know.... maybe late 2023/ early 24. I don't have any real numbers, so it's just a guess. I just know that non LE will start early 2022.
 

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It is a little confusing, or maybe I am just confused, but if LE editions will be delivered by Spring 2022, how can non-LE orders be delivered in Jan 2022?
Rivian doesn’t want to deliver a vehicle to an area they don’t have a support network in place. So while rivian is building service centers and hiring/training mobile techs there is overlap where non-LE delivers will be made in areas that have the infrastructure while some LE reservation holders are waiting on infrastructure to support their deliveries.
 

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Lol...just about the 5%...

When I talk to my GF's friends and they ask how much a Rivian costs, I am a little embarrassed to say $80k. It is one downside of the Rivian for me is the new car/showy thing...never had any interest in owning a Lambo or Ferrari no matter the size of my bank accounts...

I have just started saying "a lot" when asked...and expect folks to look at me when driving...

Ah crap. I'm not even close to the top 5% income bracket. Do I have to cancel my order?
I think those numbers are close.

Just a few random thoughts:

I frequently have found myself wondering how many people had preordered by the time the configurator went live? I was VERY surprised LE was still available for a while to people who had not previously preordered. Or phrased another way, if tens of thousands of people had put down the initial $1000, why didn't they complete the configurator design process?

Fewer people actually put down the 1000 than we all thought, fewer LEs were being produced than we thought, a lot of people asked for the preorder refund over the years of waiting for Rivian to bring a product to market, or a combination of the three.

Admittedly this is anecdotal, but many of us are the only people in our circle of friends/family who have even HEARD of Rivian, let alone put down a 1000 bucks on a company that has never (until now) produced a production vehicle.

Rivian's vehicles are aimed at a VERY specific subset of the top 5% income bracket. They will remain niche products for at least the first several years.
 

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Rivian doesn’t want to deliver a vehicle to an area they don’t have a support network in place. So while rivian is building service centers and hiring/training mobile techs there is overlap where non-LE delivers will be made in areas that have the infrastructure while some LE reservation holders are waiting on infrastructure to support their deliveries.
I think on top of that, they have the hassle of the "Non-direct to consumer" states where they literally cannot sell/deliver the vehicle to you.

I wouldn't be shocked to find non-LE orders starting before LE deliveries are complete due to both the lack of service centers near by and/or because of idiotic state laws favouring dealerships (and state legislatures too chicken/weak willed to challenge them).
 

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I highly doubt non-LE deliveries will start early next year given they wouldn't have finished with LE production. Mid-2022 seems more likely.
I placed my deposit Dec. 12th, 2018 but I’m waiting for a Max Pack. CS’s for what it’s worth have told me several times, most likely I’ll be contacted late November of this year, and Rivian will be shipping Max pack R1T’s starting in January 2022. So, yes there are many of us that chose not to go the LE (ie mid size pack) route, but may have placed a deposit years earlier than a LE holder.
 

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I placed my deposit Dec. 12th, 2018 but I’m waiting for a Max Pack. CS’s for what it’s worth have told me several times, most likely I’ll be contacted late November of this year, and Rivian will be shipping Max pack R1T’s starting in January 2022. So, yes there are many of us that chose not to go the LE (ie mid size pack) route, but may have placed a deposit years earlier than a LE holder.
BigE, thanks for sharing. I am a bit behind you (May 2019) R1s le; when contacted by my guide I will ask about length of time to max pack: I could see myself switching if Max pack is only a few month difference . . . . Very exciting.
 

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Ah crap. I'm not even close to the top 5% income bracket. Do I have to cancel my order?
I admit I picked an income% out of thin air. My point was that obviously this is not a car everyone can afford (I'll let you decide if that is good or bad).

Where I live for an 80k R1T I'm looking at 90k when you tack on taxes, insurance, etc. That's before you've even paid for upkeep, electricity, etc. That's not chump change for my family of 5.
 
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