RJ: “Really high performance drive unit” unannounced

[ja_kub_sz]

Here's a question...

Will the performance Rivian be available with the Max Pack and what will it's range be?

My guess is Yes, but it'll only get 350 miles.

I'm totally shooting from the hip on this one, but if 22" wheel nets 360 miles on the Max pack dual motor, would a quad motor performance get equal, more or less miles? I say less despite additional drive units aiding in efficiency (4 better the 2).

It would be amazing if the R1T/S Performance got 400 miles.

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[pc500]

Why do you assume the packaging will be bigger than the current Bosch setup?

Not sure but maybe because the inverter is integrated

 

[seanocono]

They are supposed to be shutting down the plant for some upgrades early next year. My guess has been that it includes changes necessary for this quad powerplant since the packaging is going to take up more room than the Bosch quad. We should see the first customer ones roll off the line easily within a few months of that shutdown if they don't have problems.

Ah, yes. This timing makes sense. I remember the previous communication about the assembly line shut down. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[seanocono]

Why do you assume the packaging will be bigger than the current Bosch setup?

I don’t know the technical reasons for this, but the in-house, Enduro motors are larger than the Bosch motors.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Why do you assume the packaging will be bigger than the current Bosch setup?

Stators appear to be larger and the Rivian patent actually shows motors driving the opposite side. IE, motor is physically on the driver side of the vehicle but the gear box is oriented to send power to passenger side. If that's how these are getting built it's because they couldn't make them fit the same way the Bosch ones are because of their size.

 

[R1Tom]

I assume then the Bosch arrangement becomes discontinued. Makes no sense otherwise. Maybe a pay wall for the ultra HP levels and lower price point for the more standard levels of 850hp or something. Don't need 3 different drivetrains in a production plant.

 

[CrazyOne]

I don’t know the technical reasons for this, but the in-house, Enduro motors are larger than the Bosch motors.

Enduro motors are more powerful, per motor.

 

[ChampagneUnicorn]

This is the reason solely I will continue to hold a blank Rivian (for an R1S though I have an R1T already) reservation for the foreseeable future. My guide told me awhile back, any reservation can apply to any vehicle they make. Just gotta have one in my back pocket cuz you never know what might pop up..

 

[Guy]

Ah, yes. This timing makes sense. I remember the previous communication about the assembly line shut down. Thanks for the reminder.

I thought they were shutting down in Q4 this year for some changes - like the system communication (wireless) improvements, maybe PTC.

 

[seanocono]

I thought they were shutting down in Q4 this year for some changes - like the system communication (wireless) improvements, maybe PTC.

Yes, that’s certainly a possibility, too. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

 

[SANZC02]

I thought they were shutting down in Q4 this year for some changes - like the system communication (wireless) improvements, maybe PTC.

I thought they announced 4th qtr as well for R1 line to integrate LFP and dual motor but then after setting up the EDV line that they said the R1 line shutdown would not be needed as the integration was a smaller impact.

I should have saved those off when I read them as I cannot find either of those statements now and am not certain I am remembering either of them correctly.

 

[DuoRivians]

I thought they announced 4th qtr as well for R1 line to integrate LFP and dual motor but then after setting up the EDV line that they said the R1 line shutdown would not be needed as the integration was a smaller impact.

I should have saved those off when I read them as I cannot find either of those statements now and am not certain I am remembering either of them correctly.

R1 to get LFP standard pack in mid 2024

 

[Dark-Fx]

I assume then the Bosch arrangement becomes discontinued. Makes no sense otherwise. Maybe a pay wall for the ultra HP levels and lower price point for the more standard levels of 850hp or something. Don't need 3 different drivetrains in a production plant.

4.5s 0-60 for standard Enduro
3.5s 0-60 for enhanced Enduro
2.5s 0-60 for quad Enduro would be amazing.

 

[R1Tom]

4.5s 0-60 for standard Enduro
3.5s 0-60 for enhanced Enduro
2.5s 0-60 for quad Enduro would be amazing.

And I am guessing physically the standard and enhanced Enduro would be same. Just unlock higher performance with a software switch that can be purchased at anytime after sale maybe.

 

[Guy]

4.5s 0-60 for standard Enduro
3.5s 0-60 for enhanced Enduro
2.5s 0-60 for quad Enduro would be amazing.

I am surprised by the 3.5 seconds estimated. Since the existing quad motor is more like 3.1/3.2 seconds on sport wheels. The enhanced enduro is closer to the standard enduro than the quad (100hp/100 lb/ft more than standard but over 100hp/200lb ft less than quad). So I would expect a time more like 4 seconds which is still very fast for the class of vehicle.

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