Rivian says vote no on Maryland HB 1556

[COdogman]

Have you heard of lobbyists?

No…never

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[socaladam]

Supporting policy and contribution to a political candidate are two sides of the same coin.

Change my mind.

 

[AlphaSnowbordergirl]

Living in Kansas, this doesn't directly have any impact on me, but I hate how laws and bills are presented. It took WAY TOO LONG to parse and understand that a No vote means penalties for violators and a Yes vote means NO penalties for violators. Ugh!!!

HB 1556 https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/hb1556

Witness List with Favorable/Unfavorable (ie: vote Yes/No) Position
https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/WitnessSignup/HB1556?ys=2025RS

A (possibly biased) sample of who is for/against this legislation:

Vote Yes:
Maryland Automobile Dealers Assocation
Maryland Chamber of Commerce
Maryland Motor Truck Association
WMDA - service station, convenience stores and repair facilities

Vote No:
Central Maryland Transportation Alliance
Maryland Sierra Club
Montgomery County Department of Environmental Protection
Union of Concerned Scientists

I don't know why, but the "Union of Concerned Scientists" made me laugh. Pretty straightforward name there.

 

[COdogman]

Supporting policy and contribution to a political candidate are two sides of the same coin.

Change my mind.

I already explained the difference to you. You responded by asking me if I ”ever heard of lobbyists”, which clearly fall into the first example I gave you

 

[AlphaSnowbordergirl]

California NEEDS to stick to California.

No state should be forced or coerced to adopt the lunatic standards CARB tries to push to the world.

Virginia and Maryland chose to follow that standard a long time ago. California isn't forcing it on anyone. Califormia became a leader and they just kind of followed. It is also more of a suggestion, Both states have pushed back goals they weren't going to meet multiple times. It's more of a "aim at the moon, but land among the stars approach." Admittedly, Maryland does a better job at attempting to get greener (though they are still behind where they want to be) compared to Virigina. I've lived in both. Virginia has played around with the idea of breaking away from the California standard recently.

 

[mkhuffman]

Virginia and Maryland chose to follow that standard a long time ago. California isn't forcing it on anyone. Califormia became a leader and they just kind of followed. It is also more of a suggestion, Both states have pushed back goals they weren't going to meet multiple times. It's more of a "aim at the moon, but land among the stars approach." Admittedly, Maryland does a better job at attempting to get greener (though they are still behind where they want to be) compared to Virigina. I've lived in both. Virginia has played around with the idea of breaking away from the California standard recently.

As a resident of Virginia, I really hope we break away from that lunacy.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

Thanks for this. It never ceases to amaze me that despite all the clear signs of climate change and the worsening natural disasters. Further despite all the objective scientific evidence to the contrary there are still folks who believe there is no such thing as climate change.

Does anyone here think dealers like EVs? I mean the dealership model makes most of its money off servicing the vehicles. Most EVs need minimal maintenance….its mostly just repairs.

 

[socaladam]

Virginia and Maryland chose to follow that standard a long time ago. California isn't forcing it on anyone. Califormia became a leader and they just kind of followed. It is also more of a suggestion, Both states have pushed back goals they weren't going to meet multiple times. It's more of a "aim at the moon, but land among the stars approach." Admittedly, Maryland does a better job at attempting to get greener (though they are still behind where they want to be) compared to Virigina. I've lived in both. Virginia has played around with the idea of breaking away from the California standard recently.

A leader? That’s laughable. Do you live here? I do.

let me tell you what CA does.

CA pushes its citizens to submit to stringent smog laws, while allowing cars from Mexico to drive in this state without being subject to the same standards.

CA insists by 2035, all new cars and trucks must be electric, yet refuses to build the infrastructure to support the demand on power.

CA says heavy duty diesel trucks are the devil and all trucks delivering product must be electric by 2036. Yet there are no companies producing EV heavy duty trucks capable of driving any distance at load, nor is there infrastructure to charge them.

CA says because my EV doesn’t use fuel I’m not contributing to the tax base, now the state wants to charge me by the mile.

My registration for the Rivian was $1025. My 5 year old Etron was $725 this year.

That’s the lunacy of this state that other states want to model.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I thought the 200 TN charges for registering EVs was high...

 

[AlphaSnowbordergirl]

A leader? That’s laughable. Do you live here? I do.

let me tell you what CA does.

CA pushes its citizens to submit to stringent smog laws, while allowing cars from Mexico to drive in this state without being subject to the same standards.

CA insists by 2035, all new cars and trucks must be electric, yet refuses to build the infrastructure to support the demand on power.

CA says heavy duty diesel trucks are the devil and all trucks delivering product must be electric by 2036. Yet there are no companies producing EV heavy duty trucks capable of driving any distance at load, nor is there infrastructure to charge them.

CA says because my EV doesn’t use fuel I’m not contributing to the tax base, now the state wants to charge me by the mile.

My registration for the Rivian was $1025. My 5 year old Etron was $725 this year.

That’s the lunacy of this state that other states want to model.

Dude, all I meant was a leader in green energy pursuit. I do have family who live in California, but the anger you have is really unnecessary. All I said was Virginia and Maryland chose to follow California's example to try to match their emission standards ages ago and have not forced other states to do the same. Maryland also charges for the tax base with both higher registration because of the weight on top of an additional 100 a year as an EV tax. Virginia has a yearly property tax (which honestly can be your registration price alone) on top of its registration. Every state is handling EVs differently.

Maryland may very well be in a better position to transition. It is a smaller state so fewer roads and its trying to increase infrastructure and increase domestic energy. I was pretty excited about the windfarm it was about to start building this year until it was stalled with the new administration. Maryland has to bring power from outside the state, so it was nice to see a significant amount of electricity being added until it was halted. And I just found out Virginia abandoned Calidornia's standard this year, so you have something to be happy about I guess.

 

[mkhuffman]

And I just found out Virginia abandoned Calidornia's standard this year, so you have something to be happy about I guess.

I do because I live here! Thanks for the information because I had not heard that. Confirmed with Grok:

Yes, Virginia stopped following California's environmental emissions standards as of January 1, 2025. In June 2024, Governor Glenn Youngkin announced that the state would no longer adhere to California’s vehicle emissions rules, including the Advanced Clean Cars II program, which aimed to phase out new gas-powered vehicle sales by 2035. This decision was based on an opinion from Attorney General Jason Miyares, who concluded that Virginia was not legally obligated to adopt California’s latest mandates after the expiration of the previous standards (Advanced Clean Cars I) at the end of 2024. Instead, Virginia has reverted to following federal emissions standards, marking a shift away from the stricter California framework it had adopted in 2021 under a Democratic-led legislature. This move has been controversial, with environmental groups and some Democrats arguing it undermines climate goals, while supporters, including Youngkin, assert it preserves consumer choice and aligns with Virginia’s own legal authority.

 

[socaladam]

Dude, all I meant was a leader in green energy pursuit. I do have family who live in California, but the anger you have is really unnecessary. All I said was Virginia and Maryland chose to follow California's example to try to match their emission standards ages ago and have not forced other states to do the same. Maryland also charges for the tax base with both higher registration because of the weight on top of an additional 100 a year as an EV tax. Virginia has a yearly property tax (which honestly can be your registration price alone) on top of its registration. Every state is handling EVs differently.

Maryland may very well be in a better position to transition. It is a smaller state so fewer roads and its trying to increase infrastructure and increase domestic energy. I was pretty excited about the windfarm it was about to start building this year until it was stalled with the new administration. Maryland has to bring power from outside the state, so it was nice to see a significant amount of electricity being added until it was halted. And I just found out Virginia abandoned Calidornia's standard this year, so you have something to be happy about I guess.

I don’t live in Virginia, so it doesn’t affect me.

You should be happy to have a choice and not be forced by your government as a mandate, if you live in Virginia.

It’s going to be very interesting in the near future to observe states with the highest ev adoption rates vs the demand for power at peak times.

The only hope there is to provide enough power, is to start building nuclear power plants now, or pray for fusion.

There are some estimates that say by 2050, this country will need to produce an additional 2 EXAwatthours (2000 TERRAwats, or 2000 Billion KWh) to support all the electric cars.

We don’t have the ability to create that much energy and that’s only 25 years away.

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