Friscorays
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Bummer about March 1, 2022.
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Announcing our new "CLUBS" section where you can join or create a Rivian club or group! You can use this new feature to conveniently plan and discuss local events, gatherings or other club/group related topics.
So we encourage you to join (or start) special-interest and regional-based Rivian clubs at: https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/group-categories/clubs-groups.1/
spam…. Lol.Yes, yes, we get it. You can lay off the spam. https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/search/138614/?q=Range+is+king&c[users]=TessP100D&o=date
I am really hoping this information would come out soon and get an idea about the charging curve.Unfortunately we don't know ow jack about the charging curve officially other than 140 miles in 20 minutes. The current owners are not reporting flat charging curves. Emme Hall's tweet is the only data point that gives me a glimmer of hope for a far curve.
To your point, battery size isn't key, I think efficiency and charging capability are.@TessP100D, can you elaborate on your obsession with range? You realize that the key for long distance electric vehicle driving is charging speed, not range, correct?
Totally agree, if they give us 400 mile range with a 600kwh battery pack, driving a Hummer H1 would probably be just as efficient, environmentally friendly and cost just as much on your bank account. Its like saying, how far can my ICE car go is all that matters, I dont care about MPG.To your point, battery size isn't key, I think efficiency and charging capability are.
Tugging around a huge damn battery that weighs as much as Rhode Island so that you can get 400 miles of range, or, having motors and system in place that allow a much smaller battery to get you that range... I'll take the latter. Not only am I using less juice, but it will take me less time to charge that smaller battery.
I would argue that if one isn’t towing (or hauling heavy loads) or going backcountry camping for a week, that you don’t need a Rivian; a Model 3 or Bolt is just fine. Or a Lightning. I’m interested in an R1T to replace my 4WD ICE pickup which frequently travels 200+ miles in places where there is no EV charging now and in fact no gas stations. So range is important for some of us.Get the larger pack for towing, or if you are going camping in the backcountry for a week. Other than that, there will be a CCS charger every 125 to 150 miles on the vast majority of the federal interstate system in the lower 48 states by the time Rivian gets up to speed with deliveries.
Well, I am going to have to disagree with you on your first point. How many weekend warriors drive an F-150 currently, and they are not towing or hauling anything, nor going backcountry camping?I would argue that if one isn’t towing (or hauling heavy loads) or going backcountry camping for a week, that you don’t need a Rivian; a Model 3 or Bolt is just fine. Or a Lightning. I’m interested in an R1T to replace my 4WD ICE pickup which frequently travels 200+ miles in places where there is no EV charging now and in fact no gas stations. So range is important for some of us.
As it stands, it will be up to the IRS to interpret and define the intent of "MSRP" in the bill. Since they don't refer to "base MSRP", it is at least somewhat likely to be the specific vehicle "as equipped".Folks, my comment about lack of "MSRP" nomenclature is in context with EV Rebate legal terminology. It's to the market (our) advantage for Rivian to make it crystal clear that the base price without any options, packages, etc. is the MSRP.
I might be overthinking this but gov't paid people deciding Rebate coverage don't like ambiguity.
Not spam... Because he's not wrong.Yes, yes, we get it. You can lay off the spam. https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/search/138614/?q=Range+is+king&c[users]=TessP100D&o=date
Not spam... Because he's not wrong.
Range is king.
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I agree and don't get why it has to be so complicated as if EV's are different from gas cars in this respect when they are not. No one talks about range in an ICE car because it doesn't matter when you can refill in 5 minutes. EV's are getting to the point when you can effectively do the same in 20-30 minutes, which in the grand scheme of things (and only applies a few times a year) is just a statistic and not really meaningful. But like you said, there are specific use cases that require more range, but then range is not king, it's just one attribute like any other option in a car that people can prioritize.@TessP100D, can you elaborate on your obsession with range? You realize that the key for long distance electric vehicle driving is charging speed, not range, correct? This has already been proven ad nauseum.
Get the larger pack for towing, or if you are going camping in the backcountry for a week. Other than that, there will be a CCS charger every 125 to 150 miles on the vast majority of the federal interstate system in the lower 48 states by the time Rivian gets up to speed with deliveries.
Do you realize that a Audi e-Tron with 225 miles of range will get to a location 500 miles away in almost the same time as a Tesla with supposedly 350 miles of range??
Agree, the vast majority of Rivians will never see anything more than gravel. Rarely do people make purchases based on what they need, they make purchases for many other reasons. In this case, just like with trucks and Jeeps, buyers of Rivians will often be of the type that wish they were more adventurous or like the image that presents to the world by driving it.Well, I am going to have to disagree with you on your first point. How many weekend warriors drive an F-150 currently, and they are not towing or hauling anything, nor going backcountry camping?
I agree and don't get why it has to be so complicated as if EV's are different from gas cars in this respect when they are not. No one talks about range in an ICE car because it doesn't matter when you can refill in 5 minutes. EV's are getting to the point when you can effectively do the same in 20-30 minutes, which in the grand scheme of things (and only applies a few times a year) is just a statistic and not really meaningful. But like you said, there are specific use cases that require more range, but then range is not king, it's just one attribute like any other option in a car that people can prioritize.
It happens a lot and is a phenomenon with all tech, people become so entranced by specs without actually thinking about whether they matter in the real world. I've gotta have the new Intel processor because according to this test it achieves more gigaflops of processing power that can only be measured with a specific program/tool because a human being can't tell the difference....
It's no coincidence that as soon as Tesla no longer could tout their range superiority, they overnight flipped to saying most people don't need more than x miles of range......It's a sales tactic for lemmings.
Agree, the vast majority of Rivians will never see anything more than gravel. Rarely do people make purchases based on what they need, they make purchases for many other reasons. In this case, just like with trucks and Jeeps, buyers of Rivians will often be of the type that wish they were more adventurous or like the image that presents to the world by driving it.