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Do we know how well this uses regen vs friction brakes?
Since it works with other cars I'm wondering if it is programmed to use the friction brakes more heavily.
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Do we know how well this uses regen vs friction brakes?
Since it works with other cars I'm wondering if it is programmed to use the friction brakes more heavily.
That's a good question. At a guess, since it's using the vehicle's built-in capabilities, I'd expect it works similarly to how the built-in cruise control slows down when someone is in front of you moving slower - that is to say, it would use regen based on your user settings for the how aggressively to use regen. I could be wrong - I don't know squat about how it's coded, but that would seem to be the most intuitive approach given that it sits between the user input and the vehicle systems to inject commands the system's API can act on.
 

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When I said "these systems," I was referring to "self-driving systems" in the general sense, not specifically Comma. Yes, it seems that some systems have an issue with stationary objects. That's why I wanted to see how Comma handled this. Since Comma uses vision (rather than radar), I suspect it is better, but I would just like to see what happens.


From the videos posted by @CTRedCanyon and others, this looks like it will be a great choice for my Gen 1 R1T when the developer finishes testing/updating the system and releases harnesses for mass consumption. I hope to keep seeing the latest news/videos being posted.

From their Discord, they expect production around next month for the harness. You can buy the 3x and mount now if you want to start early.
 

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When I said "these systems" I was referring to "self driving systems" in the general sense....NOT specifically Comma. Yes, it seems that some systems have an issue with a stationary object. That's why I wanted to see how Comma handled this. Since Comma uses "vision" (rather than radar), I suspect it is better...but just would like to see what happens.

From the videos posted by @CTRedCanyon and others, this looks like it will be a great choice for my Gen 1 R1T when the developer is done testing/updating the system and releases harnesses for "mass consumption". Hope to keep seeing the latest new/videos being posted. :)
it's not that it's better

Vision does not have this limitation. Radar does. So this is hard limitation of 99% of ADAS systems because they sense the vehicles using radar

Vision does not have this limitation at all, minus of course if you have an overturned vehicle at night time with no lights on, or something that the car does not recognize
 

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it's not that it's better

Vision does not have this limitation. Radar does. So this is hard limitation of 99% of ADAS systems because they sense the vehicles using radar

Vision does not have this limitation at all, minus of course if you have an overturned vehicle at night time with no lights on, or something that the car does not recognize
Curious to learn why/how vision does better at this. Human vision is different from computer vision
 

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Another driving video of the Comma 3X in action! Working great at dusk doing lane selection, stop/go with traffic and maintaining lanes through some light curves on secondary roads. Let me know if people want more of these videos
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Bonus video of an semi-automatic lane change - just hit the turn signal, nudge the wheel to confirm the coast is clear, and the Comma 3X executes the lane change for you:

I have so many questions 😅

  1. Is it fair to say that in its current state this enables Driver-plus-like functionality on unmapped roads (so, stop/go/LKA), plus semi-auto lane changes for Gen1?
  2. Are you capable of adjusting the speed & distance using the wheels on the steering wheel?
  3. Any speed-sign recognition / adjustment?
  4. Is there a minimum speed (stock is 20mph on the base Rivian, but will go slower if there's a vehicle in front of it. Is this capable of going <20mph without a vehicle in front of it?)
  5. What's the sharpest turn it seems to be comfortable making, in your observation? Sounds like it doesn't do turns at intersections yet, but what about really sharp non-intersecting turns?
  6. Does pressing on the accelerator merely add speed, or does it disengage the system?
  7. Is stock Driver+ still available on double-tap?
  8. Is disabling the Comma and re-enabling stock functionality simple, or do you effectively have to uninstall the comma?
  9. I've never used Comma directly. Are there any user-changeable settings for certain behaviors? A specific example I'm curious about is acceleration, and if you can make it more aggressive.
 

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I have so many questions 😅

  1. Is it fair to say that in its current state this enables Driver-plus-like functionality on unmapped roads (so, stop/go/LKA), plus semi-auto lane changes for Gen1?
  2. Are you capable of adjusting the speed & distance using the wheels on the steering wheel?
  3. Any speed-sign recognition / adjustment?
  4. Is there a minimum speed (stock is 20mph on the base Rivian, but will go slower if there's a vehicle in front of it. Is this capable of going <20mph without a vehicle in front of it?)
  5. What's the sharpest turn it seems to be comfortable making, in your observation? Sounds like it doesn't do turns at intersections yet, but what about really sharp non-intersecting turns?
  6. Does pressing on the accelerator merely add speed, or does it disengage the system?
  7. Is stock Driver+ still available on double-tap?
  8. Is disabling the Comma and re-enabling stock functionality simple, or do you effectively have to uninstall the comma?
  9. I've never used Comma directly. Are there any user-changeable settings for certain behaviors? A specific example I'm curious about is acceleration, and if you can make it more aggressive.
1) Yes
2) Yes
3) It does know the speed limit but I'm not entirely sure if it's GPS based or reads the signs actually.
4) 20 mph to start using the system but after that it'll go all the way down to 0 and stop/go without a problem.
5) The turning seems to be very capable in the Rivian. See my video here -



6) Accelerating just makes it go as little faster. You can also steer without disengaging, and it will resuming steering from where you let off (collaborative steering). This is different than Tesla, where it disengages, and I like it a lot for going around things like potholes or road debris especially. No, it doesn't automatically avoid these things btw.
7) It replaces and is better than Driver+.
8) Returning back to stock is as simple as unplugging it. There are no actual changes made to the Rivian.
9) There are different branches of development that effect driving behavior, acceleration etc. as well as driving profiles for how aggressive you want it to accelerate and brake, yes.
 

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Great update, thanks for sharing with us. I'll be watching closely, I'm very curious once this is release ready.
 

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Is it fair to say that in its current state this enables Driver-plus-like functionality on unmapped roads (so, stop/go/LKA),
"Highway Assist" is the Rivian function that operates semi-autonomously on mapped highways. It is part of the "Driver+" suite of functions that includes such things as Automatic High Beams and Rear Cross-traffic Warning.
It helps to use the correct nomenclature. [that's my story, and I'm sticking to it]
 

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"Highway Assist" is the Rivian function that operates semi-autonomously on mapped highways. It is part of the "Driver+" suite of functions that includes such things as Automatic High Beams and Rear Cross-traffic Warning.
It helps to use the correct nomenclature. [that's my story, and I'm sticking to it]
Hmm, yeah I guess that's true. Unfortunately though, it's been a misnomer from the start. It's a brand name that people have latched onto as the Rivian equivalent to Autopilot, and most people don't hear "Driver+" and think of the rear cross traffic warning.
 

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Hmm, yeah I guess that's true. Unfortunately though, it's been a misnomer from the start. It's a brand name that people have latched onto as the Rivian equivalent to Autopilot, and most people don't hear "Driver+" and think of the rear cross traffic warning.
If one knows better, one can do better (i.e. use the terms more accurately).
 

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Curious to learn why/how vision does better at this. Human vision is different from computer vision
when you use cheap radar to sense cars around it, they filter out stationary objects to reduce phantom braking. So anything travelling at 35mph slower than you is basically invisible. Which means a slow moving car, anything on the interstate that is stopped, etc.

In fact a radar system will not only "not see" a stationary vehicle in broad daylight but it will accelerate into one as if it is invisible if say a lead car slows down for traffic and then changes lanes, making the car think the lane has become empty again

Vision does not have this limitation because it can see every vehicle and tell what speed it is moving

The difference is that with vision you can of course have wrecked cars which the car can't identify, overturned cars at night with no lights on, etc. but vision does not have a fundamental limitation that radar has

So when rivian says gen 2 radars (including corner radars) are a backbone of the system, that is worrying. The front radar is some kind of imaging radar so it is at least more useful

There is this misconception on this forum that tesla engineers warned elon not to remove radar as if they were going to use it for driving. I'm almost 100% certain that it was not for driving but for validating depth and position of vehicles around you when collecting training data. Theoretically there are enough tesla vehicles with radar already that this is not a problem.
 

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i thought that they hadn’t yet worked longitudinal control into comma. Is the current control from the Rivian adas?
 
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i thought that they hadn’t yet worked longitudinal control into comma. Is the current control from the Rivian adas?
I was told on the discord that they had solved longitudinal control so its no longer using the stock ACC. But I'm just passing it along...
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