Rivian HANDS FREE ADVANCED DRIVER ASSISTANCE SYSTEM is coming 2025 + EYES OFF SYSTEM in 2026 -- Per CEO RJ SCARINGE

[bigsky]

When someone merge in front of you it panics and will slam brakes instead of slowing down gently. Phantom braking, I got once or twice only so not bad. For me it stays in the lane on freeway in fact in the curves too, didn't felt wondering here and there any more. At freeway speed it keeps big gap because it's 7000 lbs. But in stop and go traffic it still maintain big gap giving some jerk to merge in because he sees the gap. It's annoying. Kia ev6 gt will keep big gap when driving. And then in stop and go traffic it will maintain bumper to bumper distance.
I moved from Gen 1 to Gen 2. Thing are improving, yes. But not at the speed where you can justify paying 100K+ for this vehical.

I have not driven my Rivian in 6 months. I know I stopped using whatever Rivian calls its ADAS last year because it could not even keep the car centered in the lane. It was a beacon for cops to initiate a traffic stop.

Are you saying that the gap between your Rivian and car in front of you cannot be adjusted?
To me, that gap is a great feature; the longer, the better because for one, that big gap largely eliminates the chance of your windshield getting hit by debris from car ahead. Or your vehicle body. And it costs nothing.

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[bigsky]

Let us just hope that Scaringe time does not become the new Elon time.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Gen 2. Sorry, but the software is junk on R1T Gen 2.

Tesla is shit and it lacks basic features. Yay I can make my car fart but I guess I can get fucked with an overhead view while backing up that a 2018 subaru has standard. Miss me with this software is junk bullshit.

 

[pamalabama]

Tesla is shit and it lacks basic features. Yay I can make my car fart but I guess I can get fucked with an overhead view while backing up that a 2018 subaru has standard. Miss me with this software is junk bullshit.

 

[TM1]

That self-driving may never come to R1S Gen 1 is totally fine with me. I can live without it. Not about to shell out another, what $100k just to have that feature on a Gen 2.
Keep in mind that Tesla has been at FSD for about a decade now, and it still is nowhere near full self-driving. It is euphemistically called today "supervised" self-driving.

Anybody thinking that Rivian will have full self-driving next year, or the year after, or the year after that, hands-free even, well, I'd say don't bet your house on it.

The last free trial version of software V13.whatever on our 2024 model Y was quite amazing and a big leap over V12.x. It is very very close. Let's see how the CyberCab goes in Austin this summer - that should give everyone a realistic view of how polished it is.

 

[SJC]

Rivian HANDS FREE ADVANCED DRIVER ASSISTANCE SYSTEM is coming 2025 + EYES OFF SYSTEM in 2026 -- Per CEO RJ SCARINGE

Source: RJ speaking at new San Francisco space opening

RJ says the gen 2 lightbar will change color when the car is driving autonomously, to let others know. Pretty good idea!

Interesting development! Wonder if this will cause Gen 1 owners to upgrade to Gen 2

I had a model X with full self driving for several years and I used it a lot. Mostly for highway driving where on long trips it was especially useful. As far as destination to destination where it exited highways, stopped at stop signs, and traffic lights, made turns and brought you directly to your destination I used it, but less frequently. Think about it, you have eyes on the road 360° at all times, never blinking, never looking away, never daydreaming, but always looking. It’s amazing how much stress it takes out of commuting and driving, especially on longer hauls. Well, I love my Rivian, but as far as self driving is concerned, Rivian is in kindergarten and Tesla grad school.

 

[bigsky]

I had a model X with full self driving for several years and I used it a lot. Mostly for highway driving where on long trips it was especially useful. As far as destination to destination where it exited highways, stopped at stop signs, and traffic lights, made turns and brought you directly to your destination I used it, but less frequently. Think about it, you have eyes on the road 360° at all times, never blinking, never looking away, never daydreaming, but always looking. It’s amazing how much stress it takes out of commuting and driving, especially on longer hauls. Well, I love my Rivian, but as far as self driving is concerned, Rivian is in kindergarten and Tesla grad school.

I just came from a trip to the PNW. Freeways (the 5, the 405), onramps, offramps, stand-still traffic, all completely jammed up (glad I do not lilve there.) My Model S on FSD is a godsend, total shock and awe to see it masterfully navigate through all that traffic; merging, exiting, changing lanes. It is unbelievable. Navigation on city streets, stops, traffic lights, pedestrians, all a piece of cake. Heck, it even stopped just shy of backing into charging stalls at Tesla superchargers. All the while, all I did was just sit back, chill (buh-bye stress), and watch in amazement. That's not to say FSD is perfect. It is not. Even so, it is still extremely good at what it does.

 

[TexasBob]

I don't think OP posted to elicit any responses. Neither am I.
OP is simply making a point of fact. Tesla FSD is far, far superior to anything out there in America. It is settled law, not for debate.

Whereas Tesla haters think FSD is a total, worthless POS; Tesla fanbois swear it is even better than the invention of the wheel, FSD performance lies somewhere in the middle, but it definitely and decisively is constantly drifting and marching farther and farther away from the Tesla haters side.

I think you should get out more and even hail an autonomous vehicle from Uber next time you are in Texas to give Waymo or May a try. FSD is behind but that is no surprise to anyone. That is why Tesla has already acknowledged that it's robotaxi launch is Austin will be neither Robo (ie autonomous) nor a taxi (ie able to be hailed for rides by the public). Instead it will be a remotely operated drone with employee-only clientele.

In any case, I have driven Tesla's with FSD for seven years in three vehicles with HW2 HW 2.5 and Hw4 (until we dumped our Model S two months ago). I am pretty familiar with the system.

It is good on the highway and fair on surface streets. It is significantly inferior to real autonomous systems like Waymo or May, and on the highway I trust super cruise more than FSD/EAP, but it is good and I like it. Many of the Chinese consumer systems are significantly beyond it on surface streets. The Mercedes real L3 system is excellent but narrowly geo-fenced in California and Nevada for now.

As compared to Driver+ ... well D+ blows. The Gen 1 is awful and the Gen 2 is meh even with hands off. But it is getting better quickly. The Tesla system is 2 years behind many of the leading systems and it is 2 years ahead of Rivian. But timelines seem to compress these days so we will see.

 

[pamalabama]

In any case, I have driven Tesla's with FSD for seven years in three vehicles with HW2 HW 2.5 and Hw4 (until we dumped our Model S two months ago). I am pretty familiar with the system.

It is significantly inferior to real autonomous systems like Waymo or May

No chance you are saying that if you have experience with FSD. May mobility does rides with a safety driver and the driving quality of may mobility is very poor. They are behind. They only do "driverless" in a very small route in ann arbor and when there is a safety driver, the driver is taking over often.

If you look at the miles per critical disengagement for FSD it's closer to 300 miles. It's not like may mobility where there is a safety driver taking over every time you take a ride.

If you look at FSD disengagements stats, most of them are lane selection, navigation maps, traffic control, red wheel error, etc.

Literally just by mapping an area with more accurate maps and cleaning the windshield underneath the cameras, FSD disengagements are reduced by 99% easily

Because one of the disengagments is speed bump/pothole which is just users not willing to let FSD hit a speed bump at a slightly too high of a speed when it's on their personal car. There are reports of waymo hitting speed bumps at high speed which suggests that they are mapping their speed bumps. maybe tesla will do the same

Many of the Chinese consumer systems are significantly beyond it on surface streets.

No they are absolutely not. In terms of understanding some chinese road rules, some are better, but FSD has a higher fundamental level of safety.



This is the same scenario where someone in a xiaomi su7 with lidar died but harder.

 

[bigsky]

I think you should get out more and even hail an autonomous vehicle from Uber next time you are in Texas to give Waymo or May a try. FSD is behind but that is no surprise to anyone. That is why Tesla has already acknowledged that it's robotaxi launch is Austin will be neither Robo (ie autonomous) nor a taxi (ie able to be hailed for rides by the public). Instead it will be a remotely operated drone with employee-only clientele.

In any case, I have driven Tesla's with FSD for seven years in three vehicles with HW2 HW 2.5 and Hw4 (until we dumped our Model S two months ago). I am pretty familiar with the system.

It is good on the highway and fair on surface streets. It is significantly inferior to real autonomous systems like Waymo or May, and on the highway I trust super cruise more than FSD/EAP, but it is good and I like it. Many of the Chinese consumer systems are significantly beyond it on surface streets. The Mercedes real L3 system is excellent but narrowly geo-fenced in California and Nevada for now.

As compared to Driver+ ... well D+ blows. The Gen 1 is awful and the Gen 2 is meh even with hands off. But it is getting better quickly. The Tesla system is 2 years behind many of the leading systems and it is 2 years ahead of Rivian. But timelines seem to compress these days so we will see.

If you are interested in robotaxis, which I could not give a [expletive] about ever, if I tried, they might be better. But the Waymos and the Ubers, what the hell good are they when they are currently limited to working only within little corrals in little cities. Of no use to me, and I am certain that it will be a snowy day in hell if and when they expand and work across entire America, on all roads. Tesla FSD is excellent, and it works right now where I live, and on any road, any road at all, and will take me point A to point B largely flawlessly, not limited to operating within a little silly corral euphemistically called geo-fenced.

Chinese ADAS may very well be far better, indeed, but none of the Chinese EVs is available in America, unfortunately.

Rarely use FSD in the city, but navigating on long trips to the point of even driving into a supercharger and stopping right in front of the empty charging stall. Perhaps my Teslas are outliers, but FSD on them is absolutely great. Not perfect, but amazingly awesome and effective.

Lastly, one thing I appreciate a great deal about FSD is that my Teslas do not look like those sci-fi wannabe little Waymo cars. Sure, they may work well within their little corrals, but just look at them. OMG, those vehicles look like forever science projects; cists, bumps, tumors everywhere. Indeed, they look like cars full of herpes!! No, thanks.

 

[pamalabama]

Chinese ADAS may very well be far better, indeed, but none of the Chinese EVs is available in America, unfortunately.

They are not. Tesla is many years ahead of chinese ADAS. Their driving quality is like FSD back in v10 or v11. The only difference is that the chinese ADAS understand some road rules which tesla does not.

 

[Tejkalra]

Rivian HANDS FREE ADVANCED DRIVER ASSISTANCE SYSTEM is coming 2025 + EYES OFF SYSTEM in 2026 -- Per CEO RJ SCARINGE

Source: RJ speaking at new San Francisco space opening

RJ says the gen 2 lightbar will change color when the car is driving autonomously, to let others know. Pretty good idea!

Interesting development! Wonder if this will cause Gen 1 owners to upgrade to Gen 2

Before rivian launches advanced driving assistance, rivian need to fix very common things like front collision mitigation, rear brake assistance. This feature is completely missing. Stack some cardboard boxes and try to run them over at 15-20mph and see the results. Same thing now but in reverse. You will be surprised. Scary... Very scary... 100K+ vehical missing important safety feature. My 2019 subaru outback has this feature. Paid 34K when I bought it in 2019. Ridiculous.

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