Waiting on tip-toes for news on charger locations.https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/08/r...ng-network-but-with-an-adventurous-twist/amp/
Definitely looking forward to where we will see these first stations pop up!!
There is only one way Rivian can get to a "dense" network and that is to go into the charging business in competition with EvGO, EA etc. i.e. to build chargers where those people don't (answering to the "adventure" market) and allow other OEMs cars/trucks to use them. A fairly hefty charger with 3 hoses (CCS, CHAdeMO and Tesla) would allow them to earn revenue from every BEV on the road in the US today and is the only way I can see them covering the huge capital costs of a "dense" network.Hmmm . . . “dozens” of RAN charging stations erected in 2021 with “dense” coverage by 2023 or 2024
If it were me, I'd skip the expense of the CHAdeMO. Nissan was the last holdout, and they are going with CCS starting with the Ariya.A fairly hefty charger with 3 hoses (CCS, CHAdeMO and Tesla) would allow them to earn revenue from every BEV on the road in the US today and is the only way I can see them covering the huge capital costs of a "dense" network.
The vast majority of CHAdeMO equiped vehicles are in the ~100 mile range zone and less likely to be used for distance travel. The shortish range and slow DCFC were great when that was the only option - not so much now.My thought was that these would go in places where there were no Tesla chargers hence no competition. As for CHAdeMO - it's definitely on the way out but there are still a bunch of cars out there that use it and they are potential revenue sources.
Aside: The Tesla CHAdeMo adapter is now $450. Think it used to be $500 the point being that the logic that interfaces between automobile and the charger probably the cheapest part of a station whatever format the car uses.
Break even without subsidy is nonexistent for a complete network. If you could cherry pick sites, some might be slightly profitable, but installing to allow "full coverage" will likely not ever be. EA is able to do it because VW was required to spend the money as part of the Dieselgate penalty.Does anyone have an idea on break even costs? I'm asking because I was told EA has no plans for charging stations in Alaska due to our low population. So I'm guessing Rivian will not put anything up here either. I sure hope I'm wrong.
Excellent points, all three, but remember only some low population areas, a minority of them, are also adventure destinations. Lot’s of unknowns ahead.There is a huge difference between the EA network on one hand and the Tesla and Rivian networks on the other. The former exists to make money directly i.e. to sell you a kWh of electricity at a price that exceeds their cost. For the latter two the charging network exists to lure people into buying the manufacturer's car. Thus the latter two can (and in the case of Tesla apparently do) operate at a loss which loss is considered a marketing expense.
Another thing to keep in mind is that just as government has one way or another pushed industry to supply electricity, telephone and internet to rural locations it may very well do the same with charging,
As I don't think Rivian's view of "adventure" includes driving an expensive new truck through the "wrong" parts of DC on Saturday night I think it safe to assume that adventures will, by and large, take place in remote (low population) areas. Low population density may not turn out to be the disadvantage you re thinking it might be.
Council will also discuss an ordinance approving a lease of property located at 232 G Street from Salida to Rivian LLC, authorizing the execution of a charging station lease agreement. Rivian LLC manufactures electric vehicles and approached the City of Salida about leasing a portion of property to install an electric vehicle charging station as part of Rivian’s new adventure network.
If approved, Rivian will construct eight charging stations within the lease area. Four will be level three chargers which are capable of quickly charging electric vehicles in an hour. The remaining four will be level two charging stations which require more time to charge.
The level two chargers will be open to use by any electric vehicle driver of any type electric vehicle. Rivian will pay the city $50,0000 for leasing the site along with $2,700 for the purpose of installing six trees along the Monarch Spur Trail.
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