Real world dual-motor and max-pack reviews missing?

[OrthoBlock]

Where are all the real world (non-Rivian sponsored) reviews of dual-motor Rivians off-roading and max-pack Rivians breaking range records?

They are supposed to be shipping, but I can't find a single independent review of either...

My wish list is:

Dual-motor off-road, back-to-back with a quad-motor, going through the same exact obstacle, in same conditions, on same day, where the outcomes are DIFFERENT between the two vehicles (I'm not interested in a situation where both truck roll-over a divot without an issue, but very interested in situations where one configuration performs clearly better than the other.) In particular, I'd love to see how Dual-motor configurations handle number of the well recorded instances where a quadmotor refuses (is unable to?) spin tire(s) that have traction.

Max-pax long-distance road trip, along side a large pack dual-motor, with comparison of apparent range, charging times during each occasion, total time spent charging, etc.

I fully realize that nobody "owes" me any of these insights, just sharing my enthusiasm for a deeper understanding of how the new configurations compare to the starting point that I'm familiar with (quad motor, large pack.)

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[R.I.P.]

Where are all the real world (non-Rivian sponsored) reviews of dual-motor Rivians off-roading and max-pack Rivians breaking range records?

They are supposed to be shipping, but I can't find a single independent review of either...

My wish list is:

Dual-motor off-road, back-to-back with a quad-motor, going through the same exact obstacle, in same conditions, on same day, where the outcomes are DIFFERENT between the two vehicles (I'm not interested in a situation where both truck roll-over a divot without an issue, but very interested in situations where one configuration performs clearly better than the other.) In particular, I'd love to see how Dual-motor configurations handle number of the well recorded instances where a quadmotor refuses (is unable to?) spin tire(s) that have traction.

Max-pax long-distance road trip, along side a large pack dual-motor, with comparison of apparent comparison, charging times, etc.

I fully realize that nobody "owes" me any of these insights, just sharing my enthusiasm for a deeper understanding of how the new configurations compare to the starting point that I'm familiar with (quad motor, large pack.)

Coming soon, stand by....

 

[MrMusAddict]

Part of the problem is that so far, there's only 6 Dual Motor vehicles registered on Electrafi out of ~250 vehicles:
https://electrafi.com/firmwareRivian.php

So I would expect there to only be ~600 Dual Motors in existence. Even less for Max Pack.

I am eagerly awaiting an Out of Spec video detailing exactly this (even though I'll watch it at 2x speed and likely skip to the highlights). But the reason their coverage of the Quad was so good 2 years ago was because Rivian loaned them one for like a week.

This time around we have to wait for actual owners to collaborate with creators.

 

[Ripped]

I saw a couple in my Rivian Shop, so expect that some will be shipping in 4-6 weeks. Problem is, mine will be arriving at the start of winter (I hope earlier.)

For me the real test will be next summer when I tow my boat though the mountain passes (with not a lot of chargers between)

I rented a Cummins turbo-diesel to tow the boat, this past summer. Realistically the R1T isn't going to meet that standard, because with the reduction in the promised max-pack battery capacity, I'll be looking at 2-3 charge stops, plus I would not want to overheat the motors going uphill.

That will be an interesting comparison. The Turbo-diesel was a dream on the highway, able to keep 120 kph (70 mph) towing uphill. It was so good that it shaved 30 minutes total trip time off of the same route towing with my F150 the year previous and was way more stable.

Was really hoping for the 180 kWh R1T for long summer road trips and being able to cope with lack of working chargers en route.

 

[vandy1981]

Yes, it's weird that no one has reported any real-world experience with the DM Max Pack (or the DM in general).

I'm picking up an R1S PDM Max Pack this week if all goes as planned. I will report stats when I have them.

 

[Mathme]

I know, not even clickbait articles.....

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

Yes it makes you wonder. I will say that dual motor EPA range with large pack is not much higher than quad in conserve mode. When new my quad in conserve with 100% shows 347mi range and the DM EPA is 352 (DM has no conserve mode as its able to engage/disengage rear motor on demand where quad is not).

Max pack we have talked about. I asked Rivian (they aren't interested) and even Kyle with out of spec said Rivian didn't want to discuss max pack with him at all.

I would love to test both but I don't have the budget to go out and buy... I already have two quads. While I would love to be wrong, sadly I suspect there isn't much to rave about. DM is lower cost for consumers and Rivian and basically has a full time conserve mode that can switch back to AP as needed. Max pack is an extra 14kwh gross and from all account is only a range upgrade and nothing else.

Lastly, the way Rivian went on a social media blitz over the 2023.38 update tells me there isn't much more to the story otherwise they would be doing the same. I would love to be wrong on this.

 

[Herb]

Where are all the real world (non-Rivian sponsored) reviews of dual-motor Rivians off-roading and max-pack Rivians breaking range records?

They are supposed to be shipping, but I can't find a single independent review of either...

My wish list is:

Dual-motor off-road, back-to-back with a quad-motor, going through the same exact obstacle, in same conditions, on same day, where the outcomes are DIFFERENT between the two vehicles (I'm not interested in a situation where both truck roll-over a divot without an issue, but very interested in situations where one configuration performs clearly better than the other.) In particular, I'd love to see how Dual-motor configurations handle number of the well recorded instances where a quadmotor refuses (is unable to?) spin tire(s) that have traction.

Max-pax long-distance road trip, along side a large pack dual-motor, with comparison of apparent range, charging times during each occasion, total time spent charging, etc.

I fully realize that nobody "owes" me any of these insights, just sharing my enthusiasm for a deeper understanding of how the new configurations compare to the starting point that I'm familiar with (quad motor, large pack.)

Took delivery of R1T max on October 16. Not much to report yet - only about 180 miles. So far range seems to be in line with real world (only 180 miles on odometer). I have no plans taking it off-roading any time soon, but plan to update on real world range mileage. Northern Ohio can get bitter cold - so this will put the battery the test.

 

[Bernard]

Took delivery of R1T max on October 16. Not much to report yet - only about 180 miles. So far range seems to be in line with real world (only 180 miles on odometer). I have no plans taking it off-roading any time soon, but plan to update on real world range mileage. Northern Ohio can get bitter cold - so this will put the battery the test.

Herbert thank you for willing to share your experience with Your R1T DM Max! I have order one in 2020 in Canada and waiting… Therfore, I am very interest about your findings and observations Herbert. Enjoy your R1T!

 

[DuoRivians]

Here’s a mini recap of Miss GoElectric’s road trip:

 

[SeaGeo]

Yes it makes you wonder. I will say that dual motor EPA range with large pack is not much higher than quad in conserve mode. When new my quad in conserve with 100% shows 347mi range and the DM EPA is 352 (DM has no conserve mode as its able to engage/disengage rear motor on demand where quad is not).

Max pack we have talked about. I asked Rivian (they aren't interested) and even Kyle with out of spec said Rivian didn't want to discuss max pack with him at all.

I would love to test both but I don't have the budget to go out and buy... I already have two quads. While I would love to be wrong, sadly I suspect there isn't much to rave about. DM is lower cost for consumers and Rivian and basically has a full time conserve mode that can switch back to AP as needed. Max pack is an extra 14kwh gross and from all account is only a range upgrade and nothing else.

Lastly, the way Rivian went on a social media blitz over the 2023.38 update tells me there isn't much more to the story otherwise they would be doing the same. I would love to be wrong on this.

In the EPA highway testing the dual motor is about 6% more efficient than conserve.

 

[drivetorun]

Here’s a mini recap of Miss GoElectric’s road trip:

It seems like the range estimates she got were fairly consistently optimistic by ~15%. Although, that doesn't mean much considering I don’t know what the elevation change was between stops and how fast she was driving.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

Interesting. Well at 2.1 mi per kwh if you have 129 and 142 kwh usable you get 271 and 298 ... So 27 extra miles with max pack at that efficiency.

Charging curve seems about the same as large based on my experience with the charging curve of large pack.

 

[usofrob]

I see a lot of max packs in the R1 shop. So, I wonder if it's allowed them to open up capacity by eliminating the bottle neck of the large pack, similar to now they have dual motor instead of just quad motor that unlocks other bottlenecks. It seems like we'll get some good feedback very shortly.

 

[vandy1981]

We're picking up our R1S PDM Max Pack on Wednesday. We confirmed the order in the Shop less than 7 days ago which is approaching Amazon Prime shipping speed.

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