Question to Dual Motor Performance drivers

[Jumpjack]

If you don't mind indulging my curiosity:
I've had my Gen2 R1S Max. Dual Motor (non performance) for a couple of months now, I chose to save extra the $$$ of the Performance option and put it into the battery/range. I had previously test driven a Gen.1 QM and so was delighted to find that the Gen.2 DM apparently accelerates similarly from low to moderate speeds. What I've found out over time is that this rush of power that's available at lower speeds isn't the same from higher speeds, it does of course accelerate from higher speeds (to even higher speeds) but not with the same gusto as it can from lower speeds. This is of course to be expected to a certain degree but the difference is more that I was expecting.
My question is essentially whether the Performance option makes much of a difference at higher speeds? My understanding is that the extra power is only available in Sport Mode (which I don't have) so I'm asking myself whether if you're driving a DMP let's say on the highway at around 65mph in General Purpose mode and want to get past another vehicle quickly for whatever reason do you actually get into the screen options to change mode to get to the extra power before making the manoeuver?
If that's the only way to the extra power and requires some eyes-off-the-road time to change modes (and ride height and whatever else changes) then I'm happy to have saved the money on the option as I don't see myself choosing Sport before I start driving as I wouldn't want to be in low/hard settings (i have 22" wheels and find even the Soft ride still a bit jumpy).
If however the extra power was available more readily and without changing other settings I would be interested in the upgrade (when available).
I assume most of the underpinnings of the DM's are very similar to the QM's and as far as I know the QM's can get to all of their (higher) power regardless of drive mode so why then would the DM's only get access in Sport Mode (with I assume the harder and lower ride settings)?

Side note: when I saw reviews of some of the Korean EVs and saw the extra power 'button' I thought it was a cop-out that the full power was only available for short periods of time but now I see that as how I'd like the extra power available (instantly and with my eyes on the road).

Thanks for thoughts.

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[mudito]

Side note: when I saw reviews of some of the Korean EVs and saw the extra power 'button' I thought it was a cop-out that the full power was only available for short periods of time but now I see that as how I'd like the extra power available (instantly and with my eyes on the road).

Thanks for thoughts.

Just a thought for Rivian Devs if they ever read this

Maybe adding the "push-to-pass" button on DualMotor Performance, like long-pressing one of the steering-wheel buttons while accelerating, enables the "sport mode-like performance" for a short burst.

This is very doable... Software-Defined Vehicle, right?

 

[usofrob]

It's been stated before that the Sport mode more power is correlated with the Lowest ride height. Also, the extra power is only available from launch to like 50 or so. So, anything above that is the same power with or without sport.

I also didn't pony up for sport mode. I find there is a delay in power, seemingly coming from front wheel drive to all wheel drive transition. I find it's a lot more responsive if I'm in All Purpose and put the stability control to reduced. It seems to keep it in AWD all the time, and it responds quicker to throttle changes and has better balance in the turns and regen braking equally from front and rear.

 

[Jumpjack]

I've never seen mention of the extra power of the Performance model only being available up to a certain speed. If that's the case it really has no use for me as the standard acceleration from low speed is plenty (for me) and any difference would only matter to a stopwatch. So very happy to have saved those thousands!
It's still a mystery to me why max (DMP) power would be restricted to a certain drive mode when I understand that quads gets even more power in all modes. Maybe the 'P' power really is just for timing drag starts in which case I presume you'd want to be at the Lowest ride height anyhow.
If I already have the max power that any DM can offer at high speeds then I'm fine with that, as i said it does do it but just not in the dramatic way it does it from lower speeds. Just a matter of knowing the limits and acting accordingly.
Reducing the Stability Control is interesting, do you perceive any added safety risk?

 

[usofrob]

Reducing the Stability Control is interesting, do you perceive any added safety risk?

I haven't had my vehicle long enough. I've only done it on the dry. One added benefit is that the AWD is always active. So, that's a point in the favor of safety. It probably won't be until snow/ice driving that I'll be able to tell much difference, and then I'll generally be using snow mode.

 

[Schroederhc]

I drive mine in the reduced stability as well. It has better pick-up, and the AWD stays engaged. I have been doing it for months; it does not feel unsafe.

 

[Jumpjack]

What does the efficiency look like with AWD always on?
I'm intrigued to give it a try. But If it meant a significant efficiency drop esp. on highways then I guess I wouldn't use it so much for those kind of trips and so it would mean a trip into the menus to select prior to an overtaking.

 

[Jonger1150]

I find the extra 130 hp pretty much only useful for showing it off. I barely use the mode. If I could get this without the mode and save $200 a month -- I would.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

The available power, as stated above, is very dependent on ride height. It also depends on other factors like state of charge, ambient temps, and battery temps.

Even my quad lacks a lot of power when in the standard ride height. When its really cold and the battery is cooler its even worse.

I cannot tell the difference in dual motor from 0-60 from my quad...quad has maybe a tiny bit more pull. I drove a dual performance max R1S and it was very quick. Not as much punch on the top end but the quad doesn't have as much punch on the top end either.

I talked about this in the Tesla world too with the Model Y. The LR model Y has a lot more top end power for passing on the highway. In town it has a delay...feels like a delay....before it accellerates. The performance Model Y will glue you to the seat 0-60 but doesn't have anywhere near the punch at highway speeds.

Full power is in sport mode lowest ride height. With what feels like most of it available in low ride height. I have not driven the non-performance dual motor.

 

[JonW716]

Unfortunately my vehicle is still at the service center but when I get it back I will do some pulls 50-100 in Sports mode & in All purpose. My buddy has a racelogic box I can borrow to get some accurate measurements (well somewhat accurate).

 

[Ciero]

I've not once felt the need to switch to sport mode to gain power to pass someone on the expressway. The standard dual motor is plenty to pass folks unless you're in a life or death race with the guy you're passing.

 

[tbrockhurst]

If you don't mind indulging my curiosity:
I've had my Gen2 R1S Max. Dual Motor (non performance) for a couple of months now, I chose to save extra the $$$ of the Performance option and put it into the battery/range. I had previously test driven a Gen.1 QM and so was delighted to find that the Gen.2 DM apparently accelerates similarly from low to moderate speeds. What I've found out over time is that this rush of power that's available at lower speeds isn't the same from higher speeds, it does of course accelerate from higher speeds (to even higher speeds) but not with the same gusto as it can from lower speeds. This is of course to be expected to a certain degree but the difference is more that I was expecting.
My question is essentially whether the Performance option makes much of a difference at higher speeds? My understanding is that the extra power is only available in Sport Mode (which I don't have) so I'm asking myself whether if you're driving a DMP let's say on the highway at around 65mph in General Purpose mode and want to get past another vehicle quickly for whatever reason do you actually get into the screen options to change mode to get to the extra power before making the manoeuver?
If that's the only way to the extra power and requires some eyes-off-the-road time to change modes (and ride height and whatever else changes) then I'm happy to have saved the money on the option as I don't see myself choosing Sport before I start driving as I wouldn't want to be in low/hard settings (i have 22" wheels and find even the Soft ride still a bit jumpy).
If however the extra power was available more readily and without changing other settings I would be interested in the upgrade (when available).
I assume most of the underpinnings of the DM's are very similar to the QM's and as far as I know the QM's can get to all of their (higher) power regardless of drive mode so why then would the DM's only get access in Sport Mode (with I assume the harder and lower ride settings)?

Side note: when I saw reviews of some of the Korean EVs and saw the extra power 'button' I thought it was a cop-out that the full power was only available for short periods of time but now I see that as how I'd like the extra power available (instantly and with my eyes on the road).

Thanks for thoughts.

Have to say I’ve not noticed any difference, I.e. that at whatever speed & independent of mode setting the Performance addition just kicks you off at warp speed, the harder you push on the pedal.
It’s a scary feeling in a 3.2ton truck getting torque steer issues, irrespective of starting velocity.
With regard to your question it’s very difficult to define without being able to turn off the performance option in comparison.
But it’s definitely handy in SoCal on the freeways when someone is being annoying, or simply getting over to an HOV lane from the on ramp.
Haven’t tried Sport mode on the freeway, but it automatically drops to low height (above 60(?)) whilst in all purpose anyway.
hope this helps.

 

[Ohm Boy]

Interesting question. Same experience with my wife’s max pack dual motor R1S and my dual motor performance R1T (the 350 Mike range battery). I assumed this was because the effect of the immediate maximum torque is felt most when accelerating from 0 MPH. I’m no physicist though.

 

[beatle]

The performance bump makes a difference at all speeds, but it is especially noticeable at lower speeds (below 60). I use sport mode for most driving except for long trips and cratered pavement. It makes the throttle much more responsive. Not only is AP mode down ~130 hp from sport, but the power curve is so nerfed and mushy that it feels like an ICE vehicle.

If I'm on a two lane road and I need to pass someone, I always go to sport mode if I'm not already in it, and yes, they should allow you to map your drive modes to a button so you don't have to tap the screen several times to go back and forth. It would also make it easier to go back into sport mode after the truck sleeps, since it will kick you back into AP/auto suspension to comply with some silly EPA rule.

I think the performance trucks would definitely be as good a value as the reviews claim if Rivian didn't make it so annoying to use the extra power. This is especially true if you're running 20AT tires since you're traction limited at lower speeds anyway. The quad can't really stretch its legs on ATs until you're moving close to highway speeds.

 

[Jumpjack]

I've not once felt the need to switch to sport mode to gain power to pass someone on the expressway. The standard dual motor is plenty to pass folks unless you're in a life or death race with the guy you're passing.

The specific situation that prompted the question was merging onto a highway, it was a long curved ramp that was significantly uphill, the car was pretty loaded up with kids and their stuff and as I came alongside the highway I was on a collision course with a long semi-truck. I had the option to slow down and get behind the truck (only to then overtake it) or I had enough ramp left to get ahead. In my ICE Subaru I would have taken the first option but with the Rivian's power I assumed I could take the second option. I did make it without issue but not as comfortably as I had assumed I would.

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