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You’re a C-suite executive but can’t grasp that just because Porsche is part of the VW Group doesn’t mean they share all resources and technology? That’s like assuming PayPal and Venmo—both owned by the same company—run on the same software stack and cloud infrastructure(they don't, they are entirely two different cloud environments.

I have an MBA too, from a little school called Tuck. Like, this isn't rocket science lol.
You should have paid a little more attention in school then because Rivian SOLD their stack. VW didn't get it for free, and I'm betting they would have gotten a better deal from Porsche. I never claimed VW would get it free from Porsche, I asked why they didn't purchase it from Porsche and did from Rivian instead.

Porsche software is shit compared to Rivian's you're just using CarPlay.
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Explain why the Rivian software is bad and where the Porsche software (from the VW group who have known software issues) is better please.
In the Porsche, my music doesn’t randomly pause or stop when I touch the screen—something that happens constantly in the Rivian. Multiple resets haven’t fixed Rivian’s choppy performance, sluggish responsiveness, or frequent screen freezes. There’s also a noticeable delay when loading content, like Apple Music, where albums sometimes fail to appear. I don’t even care about that specifically, but the lag bogs down the entire system while it tries to load.

Then there’s the proximity unlock issue. After an overnight charge, the R1T’s proximity unlock doesn’t work in the morning—I have to unlock it manually through the app. Once the truck is awake, proximity unlock works fine throughout the day, but after a long sleep cycle, the problem returns. Strangely enough, the service center deemed this behavior "within spec."

Where Rivian does have an advantage is battery management and range accuracy. Estimates are noticeably more consistent. For example, in the Taycan, Porsche Connect reports X miles of range, but the app itself is unreliable—it frequently shows a ±20-mile difference from what the car actually delivers. Rivian has a slight refresh delay, but it updates almost instantly, whereas Porsche Connect takes forever to refresh.

The Rivian mobile app is significantly better, but when it comes to in-car usability and stability, Porsche is the clear winner. Rivian pushes updates more frequently, but Porsche updates tend to introduce fewer issues.
 

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Then VW must be complete dumbasses for spending 5 BILLION dollars on it when they already had better in Porsche huh?
Not necessarily. Porsche uses premium components; the engineering is top notch. The software that drives those components may not be easily transferrable to more margin-oriented cars that the rest of VAG makes. I don't know if Porsche wants to be dragged down by a common stack. Porsche has always been a bit of a lone wolf within VW (though there is some platform sharing).
 
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You should have paid a little more attention in school then because Rivian SOLD their stack. VW didn't get it for free, and I'm betting they would have gotten a better deal from Porsche. I never claimed VW would get it free from Porsche, I asked why they didn't purchase it from Porsche and did from Rivian instead.

Porsche software is shit compared to Rivian's you're just using CarPlay.
That’s a lot of assumptions for someone who wasn’t in the room when VW and Rivian negotiated. . Here’s a thought—maybe Porsche doesn’t have the capacity. Maybe Rivian was the cheaper option. Or are we ignoring the reality of in-house development vs. outsourcing?

And for the record, I don’t use CarPlay. You can literally find threads from me on this very forum saying I don’t want CarPlay in the Rivian and can’t stand it—but nice try.
 

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Let's start the rampant speculation about who it is! I'll start:

Honda, BMW, Stellantis
VW would never let this software go to a direct competitor (unlike Rivian, who has stupidly desperately enabled their own eventual demise with the Scout and cheaper variants thereof). VW is much smarter than that. If they allow it at all, it will be to a manufacturer that doesn't overlap with VAG. My guess is Tata or BYD.
 

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That hasn't been my experience. In my weekends with the Taycan I found the Porsche software actually worked, which is more than I can say for Rivian.
Same here. It just works and stays stable. Meanwhile, my Rivian literally rebooted while I was in drive at a coffee drive-thru the other day.
 

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Rivian is proving out "Best of Breed". That $6B loan cannot be mucked with (although I am sure he's going to try his damnedest) by Elon Trump. Rivian has proven itself a winner in the EV market on logical innovation. The company has designed World Class vehicles that the automotive industry has hailed as Best in Class and safest on the roads; we're not driving a Tesla "Lab Experiment", and finally, RJ is not Elon. THAT is also a considerable factor in manufacturers wanting to saddle up with Rivian.

I watched these Rivian blips unfold the last day or so across the media, and lo and behold, the stock began to bump up yesterday!

I bet Ford is kicking themselves in the ass on walking away from Rivian several years ago. Now Rivian is leading in the EV Cargo van market over both Ford and GM.
 

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I highly doubt that will happen, at least in the short term, since Rivian got federal funds and plans to restart building their Georgia factory.
It seems unlikely that Rivian will restart the GA plant with the assistance of the DOE loan funding, the nominally binding agreement notwithstanding. A recent EO has paused the disbursement of nearly all of the funding associated with the "green" initiatives of the prior administration, and this includes the Rivian DOE loan monies. How this shakes out in the long run is TBD but it likely will halt things for quite some time.

One alternative is that the President gets Congress to give him the authority needed to rescind the funds under the Impoundment Control Act. Another may be that courts rule on the presidential authority, and perhaps even not holding the actions legal. Regardless, it will take a considerable amount of time before there is a disposition, and all of the funding will be limbo until then.

How long this will take is anyone's guess, but seems unlikely to be anytime soon, which it way it seems unlikely the loan proceeds will be available for Rivian to use to restart the GA plant in the near future. .Perhaps some combination of GA state assistance and private capital will allow Rivian to start the work anew on the GA plant however.

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That’s a lot of assumptions for someone who wasn’t in the room when VW and Rivian negotiated. . Here’s a thought—maybe Porsche doesn’t have the capacity. Maybe Rivian was the cheaper option. Or are we ignoring the reality of in-house development vs. outsourcing?

And for the record, I don’t use CarPlay. You can literally find threads from me on this very forum saying I don’t want CarPlay in the Rivian and can’t stand it—but nice try.
It’s software, what does capacity have to do with it? You can copy software. Development is also irrelevant because your claim is that Porsche is already better than Rivian so there doesn’t need to be any development. There’s no way Porsche would be the more expensive option because it’s in house not outsourced.

Face it, there’s nothing to support your assertion and Porsche software sucks.
 

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I don't see myself ever buying a VW. But I can imagine being interested in some of the other VW owned brands so I'll start off by saying that I hope all of the VW brands incorporate Rivian's software.

An electric 718 or 911 with Rivian software would be awesome! There are 0 EV's right now without a roof! It is a hole that really needs filling.
Geez. I just bought a 2007 VW EOS VR6. Maybe 1000 miles/yr. Put the top down, do a little costal driving. It’s not an EV, I have one of those as a DD, and my wife has a RAV4 Prime. Yes, she charges it daily. The price was right. But a 911 Cab EV would be wonderful if you can afford the $150k+it would cost. And the garage space. And the insurance, etc.
 

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I don't see myself ever buying a VW. But I can imagine being interested in some of the other VW owned brands so I'll start off by saying that I hope all of the VW brands incorporate Rivian's software.

An electric 718 or 911 with Rivian software would be awesome! There are 0 EV's right now without a roof! It is a hole that really needs filling.
This is the main thing holding my wife back from an EV! She loves her Mini Convertible and can't see herself moving to something with a permanent roof again. I'd complain, but I feel the same about EV vs ICE 🤣
 

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