Official: Scout EV SUV & Pickup debut w/ Gas Range Extender, 4x4, BOF, Lockers, Sway Bar Disconnect -- All Specs, Wallpapers, Videos

[NY_Rob]

Assuming Rivian can get the service situation under control the R2 is going to sell very very well.

I agree that the R2 has the potential to sell really well, but Rivian 1000% has to address the disastrous (in most areas of the country) SC situation well before the floodgates open with tons of R2 sales. Many manufacturers have now bounced back from the Covid years SC booking issues and waits are down to a week or less in many areas to get a repair appointment with mainstream brands. But, in contrast we still see Rivian pushing SC appointments our 3 months+ in some areas. That will be unacceptable for middle America and needs to be addressed just as urgently as producing a new vehicle.

Edit: just yesterday my daughter called Tesla for an issue with her Model 3, they gave her an appointment Thurs morning. Not bad, call Monday and get a Thurs appointment.

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[MountainBikeDude]

After having seen the R2 in person it’s clear that it is being marketed to the Subaru crowd. It’s a lifestyle vehicle not the car you buy to take to the Rubicon. The thing about that is there are a lot more Subaru people than there are Scout people this forum is just skewed toward more serious overland/off road people.

John and Jane Q. Public just want a car to take them to get groceries and occasionally to drive down some gravel roads or in the snow. The R2 will do that easily, it gave me some serious Subaru Forester vibes. I had a Forester, it was a nice car for what it was and very useful.

Also a clone of an R1 is a good thing. The R1 works for a lot more people than the Scout will because of size and on road driving dynamics. The downside of the R1 is price, but the R2 addresses that. I think it’s going to sell in decent numbers.

R2 and R3 I agree, take aim at the Subaru market. A well priced daily, that's ready for weekend adventures.

I love the look of the R3, It's going to be an amazing little rally style car. R2 is the vehicle I have my eye on as a secondary vehicle to compliment our R1T.

 

[usulio]

As many have said, these Scouts will not compete with R2, they'll compete with R1. The size and features listed all directly compare to R1 at least.

Let's look at the Kia EV9. Seems like Kia is doing great and understands EVs well, everyone loves the EV9. Well, for $55,000 you get 230 miles of range, little ground clearance, no air suspension, 2,000 lbs. of towing, weak acceleration. For $70,000 you get 270 miles of range, still no air suspension, maybe 5,000 lbs. towing. That's a universally acclaimed EV from a very successful automaker. Scout is not going to be able to sell something with R1 specs for EV9 prices, no way.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

R2 and R3 I agree, take aim at the Subaru market. A well priced daily, that's ready for weekend adventures.

I love the look of the R3, It's going to be an amazing little rally style car. R2 is the vehicle I have my eye on as a secondary vehicle to compliment our R1T.

My wife (who's picky as hell and currently drives a custom-order 2024 i4M50 in Midnight Purple metallic) likes the R3, so I'd say that's a compliment. She even said that if it's as fast as it is supposed to be, she's interested in considering it for her next car.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I'm not saying it will be a washout or anything, that Scout is going to kill Rivian. If Scout can come out at the $60K price point for a non-washed down trim, it's going to be a very interesting market.

A gen2 R1T starts at $69,900, but don't forget that we still haven't seen the "Entry" VINs that were added to the NHTSA decoder for MY 2025... Rivian might still have something up their sleeves for an even lower cost vehicle if the market decides that they have to.

 

[Administrator]

News:

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[kozak79]

Does anyone think these will sell anywhere near the R2 price?

The 2025 Volkswagen ID. Buzz electric van has a starting price of $61,545 for the rear-wheel-drive model and $69,545 for the all-wheel-drive model

Scouts will sell at R1 prices or higher.

 

[DuoRivian]

News:

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Shouldn’t this be on the Scout forum and not Rivian?

 

[DuoRivian]

Does anyone think these will sell anywhere near the R2 price?

The 2025 Volkswagen ID. Buzz electric van has a starting price of $61,545 for the rear-wheel-drive model and $69,545 for the all-wheel-drive model

Scouts will sell at R1 prices or higher.

Exactly. All those eager Scout owners expecting a $60k (plus destination and tax) Scout with a reasonable spec are going to be sorely tempted after 3-4 years of inflation and VWs typical battery and motor selection. At least the software should be good courtesy of Rivian!

 

[George Kaplan]

I doubt it will be able to deliver a 60K price point. Even 60 is far above the average person's ability to purchase a car. I think the people who can afford 60 can do 70 for the R1 but most people are in the 45 R2 market. Regardless, it will have to be pretty stripped down to even hit 60K and a short range that isn't going to be practical for people.

It's all speculative at this point, though; maybe I will be surprised. I like the look of the Scout SUV but I'm not holding my breath for them to come out and deliver what they are promising now.

The smart money assumes the price to market will be 10% to 15% higher—just consider the changes inflation will require 3 years down the road.

Depending upon who win POTUS, the expected tax credits Scout featured prominently in the presentation may no longer exist in 2027. Anyone looking wistfully at a $60K starting point with $10K in tax credits for a $50K net price may well be looking at $70K vehicle with no tax credits in 3 years.

Finally—and most intriguing—is the speculation that the REx version may be the entry model. The 350 mile battery pack would be replaced by a 150 mile pack, combined with a very small engine capable of running an on-board generator, with the gas tank designed to be capable of adding 350 miles of range. The substantially smaller battery pack is to account for a much lower build price.

 

[Thedude]

Shouldn’t this be on the Scout forum and not Rivian?

It is in the sub-forum for competitor models to the R1. Seems like the right spot for a discussion about the Scout variants.

 

[mkhuffman]

As I continue to follow this thread, I become more convinced they can't put a ICE in the Scout without serious space impacts.

They say the frunk will remain. I don't believe it. I think replacing part of the battery with a gas tank is reasonable. But where are they going to put that engine? There really isn't anywhere but the frunk. And it has to be big enough to move the truck at a reasonable pace, as others have pointed out.

I still think this is a good solution for those who don't want a BEV, like my wife, but there has to be an impact beyond simply replacing part of the battery with a gas tank. Seriously.

 

[Thedude]

As I continue to follow this thread, I become more convinced they can't put a ICE in the Scout without serious space impacts.

They say the frunk will remain. I don't believe it. I think replacing part of the battery with a gas tank is reasonable. But where are they going to put that engine? There really isn't anywhere but the frunk. And it has to be big enough to move the truck at a reasonable pace, as others have pointed out.

I still think this is a good solution for those who don't want a BEV, like my wife, but there has to be an impact beyond simply replacing part of the battery with a gas tank. Seriously.

Help an idiot with his math. If you’re doing 60mph at 2mi/kwh the onboard generator would need to be a 30kwh generator to keep up with demand?

 

[M3_R2]

Then try adding an RV.

 

[ThirteenElectrics]

So, did Rivian just enable a direct competitor, Scout, with their SDV deal with VW? They must really have been desperate, or they just got played. Yes, most car companies compete in many different markets, but this is a brand dedicated to offroad EVs. Sounds familiar. Jeep and Daimler are dedicating a model or two, too, but it’s not the whole enchilada. Or maybe every manufacturer will have an off road EV soon, so Rivian couldn’t have done better? Joint ventures are usually not struck with direct competitors.

I’m an armchair quarterback, but I would have raised in the public markets rather than lose a competitive advantage (if indeed it was any kind of advantage at all; I am skeptical). What moat does Rivian have now? Terrible nav.? That’s not unique to Rivian.

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