Official: Scout EV SUV & Pickup debut w/ Gas Range Extender, 4x4, BOF, Lockers, Sway Bar Disconnect -- All Specs, Wallpapers, Videos

[kozak79]

It's at least 3 years out. It will only be a threat to Rivian if they are still selling the same R1 vehicles as today. I also imagine a lot of the features that Scout has promised will be removed or delayed, just like in the original R1 and Cybertruck teases.

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[ThirteenElectrics]

Love the 800V charging. It means shorter queues at fast chargers during peak periods (eventually). When I road trip to very remote areas I can frequently spend up to three hours a day fast charging. Recent example: a trip to the outskirts of Stanley, Idaho: 176 minutes charging one way to have enough for the round trip. It gets old fast, especially Rivian’s terrible speeds above 80% SoC. They should look at Audi, they have done a fantastic job with fast charging at high SoC with a robust cooling system.

 

[ThirteenElectrics]

It's at least 3 years out. It will only be a threat to Rivian if they are still selling the same R1 vehicles as today. I also imagine a lot of the features that Scout has promised will be removed or delayed, just like in the original R1 and Cybertruck teases.

Look at the R2, though. It’s a clone of the R1. Rivian doesn’t want to change, they don’t know how to manufacture and it was hard enough doing the original design. Any new design will have big quality problems. Also, they copy Tesla and Tesla’s plan is to run the 3 and Y designs into the ground over a decade.

I trust VW to deliver on manufacturing more than Rivian. They are a real car company. The only risk is that they prioritize Europe over the US, but I don’t think that will be happening with these models.

 

[Administrator]

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[Rivian Head]

Scout looks great, but by 2027 rolls around, so many unforeseeable things can happen; economy, interest rate fluctuations, Chinese EVs invading US via Mexico. Even Rivian may declare bankruptcy by then. Nice to dream, but Scout may follow the path of Fisker. It’s a very tough business, and the chance of success as a new kid in automobile's industry is very low.

 

[George Kaplan]

A lot of presumption in there.

Scout clearly designed a vehicle with an emphasis on off-roading.

R2 looks to be a vehicle one could drive down a dirt road but not for hardcore off-roading. It is more of a suburban kid hauler with ability to handle the occasional off road adventure.

Different buyers will choose one or the other, but I doubt there will be much deliberation between the two. If I live in a more rural area, the ruggedness of Scout will have my attention. If I live in the suburbs, I’d have to imagine R2 will offer a more refined experience, plus the ability to roll with the nasty weather.

It‘s a big marketplace, and Rivian and Scout seem to be navigating to different sectors, especially since Rivian has already made its statement models with R1, and now is seeking to embrace a larger sector with R2. Scout is still at the starting line, hoping to appeal to a broad enough sector to sell what they build.

Finally: Both R2 and Scout may be subject to delays before hitting the market, but the one more at risk for this is Scout, since they’re building a factory first and training their workers, while Rivian has the practical advantage of skilled, experienced workers in Normal assembling R2 on tried and true factory line.

I wish them both well, but I doubt RJ loses a minute of sleep over Scout. Scout’s success, in a way, both helps to broaden the EV market and helps pay the dividends on the JV coming back to Rivian.

 

[DuoRivian]

Look at the R2, though. It’s a clone of the R1. Rivian doesn’t want to change, they don’t know how to manufacture and it was hard enough doing the original design. Any new design will have big quality problems. Also, they copy Tesla and Tesla’s plan is to run the 3 and Y designs into the ground over a decade.

I trust VW to deliver on manufacturing more than Rivian. They are a real car company. The only risk is that they prioritize Europe over the US, but I don’t think that will be happening with these models.

Scout are copying Rivian in very many ways and leaning into “off roading” even more which lead to trade offs that most people don’t accept and they will not even sell 50k a year in a 200k factory.

 

[Dark-Fx]

R2 looks to be a vehicle one could drive down a dirt road but not for hardcore off-roading. It is more of a suburban kid hauler with ability to handle the occasional off road adventure.

A big thing being missed here. R1 has a pretty limited suspension aftermarket because of the complexity of the suspension system and software integration.

Scout is going to have a lot of the same problems, because they are still putting in air suspension and all the controls related to it.

R2 is going to buck that trend. With a larger sales volume and "static" suspension, and I anticipate the aftermarket might actually delve into the platform and create hardware to increase the off-road viability of the R2 vehicles, well beyond what we've seen on R1.

 

[Jimi]

For my use case, I’m super stoked for the specs of the Scout given it seems it has the off-road chops…but holy crap, 91” width is insane…I’m already a bit bummed I can’t take the R1T through a lot of tighter trails I used to be able to do with the 4runner…

Honestly, given VWs current fiscal problems, it is doubtful there will be a '27 launch; if it even launches at all!

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Look at the R2, though. It’s a clone of the R1. Rivian doesn’t want to change, they don’t know how to manufacture and it was hard enough doing the original design. Any new design will have big quality problems. Also, they copy Tesla and Tesla’s plan is to run the 3 and Y designs into the ground over a decade.

I trust VW to deliver on manufacturing more than Rivian. They are a real car company. The only risk is that they prioritize Europe over the US, but I don’t think that will be happening with these models.

After having seen the R2 in person it’s clear that it is being marketed to the Subaru crowd. It’s a lifestyle vehicle not the car you buy to take to the Rubicon. The thing about that is there are a lot more Subaru people than there are Scout people this forum is just skewed toward more serious overland/off road people.

John and Jane Q. Public just want a car to take them to get groceries and occasionally to drive down some gravel roads or in the snow. The R2 will do that easily, it gave me some serious Subaru Forester vibes. I had a Forester, it was a nice car for what it was and very useful.

Also a clone of an R1 is a good thing. The R1 works for a lot more people than the Scout will because of size and on road driving dynamics. The downside of the R1 is price, but the R2 addresses that. I think it’s going to sell in decent numbers.

 

[Administrator]

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[underkuver]

Great seeing options coming out. Like others have said, this will likely benefit pure(ish) EV companies as a whole. Does this mean Rivian moves deeper into the pavement pounder, grocery getter crowd? Possibly! I see lots of Rivians that never get dust on their Armor All coated 20" ATs. That is awesome to see that purchase pushed the envelope vs another ICE Escalade.

Interesting times for sure as the market shifts from ICE to hybrids and slowly to EVs. Not surprised on the pushback given all the lobbyist lining pockets to continue ICE. We had electric figured out 100s of years ago until Rockefellers found a way to shift auto manufacturers into gasoline as they monopolized crude into refined fuel.

The Scout fits my current needs well. I love the MacanEV but that is not as well suited for the type of daily driving where I live (pinch flats suck). I love the R1S but have always known the fully electric RR will take its place once available.

The Scout fits a niche market. By having options, we don't need a 1 size fits all. If everything I drove was pavement, no chance I would own a Scout. Then I would agree with all the negative comments on here about its solid rear axle

 

[Goose]

After having seen the R2 in person it’s clear that it is being marketed to the Subaru crowd. It’s a lifestyle vehicle not the car you buy to take to the Rubicon. The thing about that is there are a lot more Subaru people than there are Scout people this forum is just skewed toward more serious overland/off road people.

John and Jane Q. Public just want a car to take them to get groceries and occasionally to drive down some gravel roads or in the snow. The R2 will do that easily, it gave me some serious Subaru Forester vibes. I had a Forester, it was a nice car for what it was and very useful.

Also a clone of an R1 is a good thing. The R1 works for a lot more people than the Scout will because of size and on road driving dynamics. The downside of the R1 is price, but the R2 addresses that. I think it’s going to sell in decent numbers.

Assuming Rivian can get the service situation under control the R2 is going to sell very very well. It has the right shape and gives off Bronco/Jeep/4Runner vibes while being its own thing.

BUT, the Scout is going to threaten any and all Rivian sales. The Scout Traveler is not as large as initially thought (the 208" length includes the rear tire carrier that fits a 12.5" wide tire) and they're going after the more middle class $60K price point. Do a quick skim of this forum, how many times have you seen people say they only have a R1 thanks to the pre-March price lock-in? Americans are more about value, forget about what could be perceived as better. If the average person was shopping for an SUV and came across the Traveler with a 350 mile range, 800V battery (bigger is better after all to the average person), and a bigger vehicle which do you think they will choose?

I'm not saying it will be a washout or anything, that Scout is going to kill Rivian. If Scout can come out at the $60K price point for a non-washed down trim, it's going to be a very interesting market.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Assuming Rivian can get the service situation under control the R2 is going to sell very very well. It has the right shape and gives off Bronco/Jeep/4Runner vibes while being its own thing.

BUT, the Scout is going to threaten any and all Rivian sales. The Scout Traveler is not as large as initially thought (the 208" length includes the rear tire carrier that fits a 12.5" wide tire) and they're going after the more middle class $60K price point. Do a quick skim of this forum, how many times have you seen people say they only have a R1 thanks to the pre-March price lock-in? Americans are more about value, forget about what could be perceived as better. If the average person was shopping for an SUV and came across the Traveler with a 350 mile range, 800V battery (bigger is better after all to the average person), and a bigger vehicle which do you think they will choose?

I'm not saying it will be a washout or anything, that Scout is going to kill Rivian. If Scout can come out at the $60K price point for a non-washed down trim, it's going to be a very interesting market.

I doubt it will be able to deliver a 60K price point. Even 60 is far above the average person's ability to purchase a car. I think the people who can afford 60 can do 70 for the R1 but most people are in the 45 R2 market. Regardless, it will have to be pretty stripped down to even hit 60K and a short range that isn't going to be practical for people.

It's all speculative at this point, though; maybe I will be surprised. I like the look of the Scout SUV but I'm not holding my breath for them to come out and deliver what they are promising now.

 

[Goose]

I doubt it will be able to deliver a 60K price point. Even 60 is far above the average person's ability to purchase a car. I think the people who can afford 60 can do 70 for the R1 but most people are in the 45 R2 market. Regardless, it will have to be pretty stripped down to even hit 60K and a short range that isn't going to be practical for people.

It's all speculative at this point, though; maybe I will be surprised. I like the look of the Scout SUV but I'm not holding my breath for them to come out and deliver what they are promising now.

There's a fighting chance the entry level Scout will be able to reach that price point if battery prices continue to fall. We shall see if Rivian can hit the $45K R2 price as well, they don't have the best track record with holding announcement prices.

While you're right, if a person can afford $60K they can probably swing $70K, many people won't out of principle and avoid the extra year of financing. With my families current lifestyle, we could easily afford a Tri-Max R1 or R2, but I refuse to spend that much money on a car.

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