No longer an all Rivian household

[madhat]

I test drove one of these, and neither my wife nor I liked it. The desperate salesman at Camelback didn't help; all he wanted to do was show us all these useless to us techy features.
It had the same problem all Kia/Hyundai products suffer from: excessive and intrusive nannying. For you to commute in i think it'll be good for you, but if I'm buying an EV I want it to feel special. If i didn't know they were an EV, the Ioniq/Kia/Mach E all fell like just gas commuter cars. They weren't particularly comfortable interiors either. Sliding a standard Ioniq5 around a corner wasn't confidence inspiring for sure.
I appreciate you sharing your perspective, and I hope it works great for your purpose!

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[RivianRiverRat]

The Ioniq 5 is really solid. You will like it. Fast charging time is a huge bonus.

Interesting that folks don’t want to put miles on their R1s. We’ve always piled a ton of miles on our EVs on purpose - they are cheap to operate and have less maintenance. For us, the whole point of the EV is to sink miles into a car that will last forever and doesn’t require a ton of maintenance.

This is what I tell folks who talk to me about EV and costs
Make sure you have at home charging or free charging like at work
Most all the cost is up front vs over the life span on a ICE
might be anecdotal but EV is cheaper per mile the more miles you drive it vs ICE that costs increase per mile the more you drive it

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I test drove one of these, and neither my wife nor I liked it. The desperate salesman at Camelback didn't help; all he wanted to do was show us all these useless to us techy features.
It had the same problem all Kia/Hyundai products suffer from: excessive and intrusive nannying. For you to commute in i think it'll be good for you, but if I'm buying an EV I want it to feel special. If i didn't know they were an EV, the Ioniq/Kia/Mach E all fell like just gas commuter cars. They weren't particularly comfortable interiors either. Sliding a standard Ioniq5 around a corner wasn't confidence inspiring for sure.
I appreciate you sharing your perspective, and I hope it works great for your purpose!

Can you elaborate on the nannying thing? That might make an N untenable for me.

 

[madhat]

Can you elaborate on the nannying thing? That might make an N untenable for me.

They're very aggressive and loud on their driver "aids" like collision and blind spot warnings, auto braking, etc. I've only ever test drove or had as a rental, so I don't know how defeatable those are. HOPEFULLY with an enthusiast version like the N they wouldn't be so obnoxious...

 

[Throwdown]

I have a 2025 ioniq 5 limited awd, my favorite car ever, I'm a 4 door hatchback guy. If they made an egolf with a normal range I'd own nothing else

 

[Great Gatsby]

The Ioniq 5 is really solid. You will like it. Fast charging time is a huge bonus.

Interesting that folks don’t want to put miles on their R1s. We’ve always piled a ton of miles on our EVs on purpose - they are cheap to operate and have less maintenance. For us, the whole point of the EV is to sink miles into a car that will last forever and doesn’t require a ton of maintenance.

For me, its the warranty. I don't want to eat it up and then be on the hook for out of pocket expenses once I'm past the covered miles. I put 20,000-30,000 miles per vehicle a year, so put all that stress (plus tire replacement) on the R1 just doesn't sit right with me. Plus, having another smaller fun vehicle is an entertaining sort of guilty pleasure idea. I definitely see the appeal.

 

[cardad]

I sure hope they reconsider that stance for the R2. If it has any VD, I almost guaranty I'll cancel my R2 reservation.

How can BMW, Jeep and Hyundai produce EV's with no VD yet Rivian who everyone says "is so far ahead of everyone else" software wise not be able to do it? My 2 cents.. they can do it, but they choose not to.

There’s a vast difference in active computing activity and wake/sleep algorithms between the “software” car companies (Tesla/Rivian) and the “car” companies. My Audi Etron went to sleep sitting in my garage unplugged for 3 months and did not communicate with my app at all and lost 0% battery. So there’s a philosophical difference in keeping a vehicle connected and having to wake the car, etc. for idle tasks and use energy to keep the 12 V battery in shape. Rivians used to lose 7% a day so they’ve come a long way from that. Also their software development progress has slowed substantially compared to Tesla and they’re likely labor constrained due to budget concerns.

 

[cardad]

Can you elaborate on the nannying thing? That might make an N untenable for me.

The guy test drove the car. I doubt he knows the finer points. I put 12k miles on my I5 in about a year. Hyundai’s approach to UI is traditional not “all computer” so there will be more awkward interface adjustments.

Hyundai’s route planning is especially terrible in the 2022 edition. Not sure if they’ve improved this but it requires a lot of thought to figure out especially in winter where you must use it to ensure battery preconditioning.

Overall the I5 is excellent in nearly every metric you would want from a vehicle. Decent efficiency, good ergonomics in every seat, reasonably functional driver assistance (ie not limited to highways), and fast charging. The N is just more power, better suspension, and sportier seats. Almost everything except the route planning can be figured out quickly.

There’s no nannying. I have no idea what the guy is talking about. Every modern vehicle nannys you in some way whether it’s about your seatbelt or your doors being open.

Rivian was literally nagging me everyday with texts to make appointments for my 12 V battery until I fixed it myself.

I haven’t driven my I5 much lately but the N would be the top overall performance EV in my book. Having had a Taycan and knowing Porsche’s serious battery engineering flaws in the first gen vehicles vs Hyundai I’m a lot more confident with Hyundai. They are even running their own racing series with their eN1 racing spec I5 in Korea and went to Pike’s Peak last year with stock (and modified) Ns.

Randy Pobst said the modified S Plaid he drove up the year before kept running into thermal limits and Taycans also have had that problem. Hyundai specifically engineered the N to be able to run two laps at Nurburgring at pretty close to the limit.

 

[Dark-Fx]

- I can't believe the Ioniq does NOT have auto lock when walking away. I am going to leave this vehicle unlocked constantly

There's an aftermarket module someone has made that solves this issue. Forget what it's called though, I've only read about it in passing.

 

[NY_Rob]

..Rivians used to lose 7% a day so they’ve come a long way from that.

Um... what?? I've been here since before the first employee deliveries in Oct 2021 and there was never 7% battery drain per day unless you left one of the seatbelts buckled and the vehicle never went to sleep. Nominal drain has always been in the 1-2kWh loss/day unless you had an issue with your vehicle.

FWIW- I have connectivity with the i3 - I can precondition the cabin, send navigation to the vehicle, lock/unlock, open/close windows, etc... through the BMW app. They have figured out a way to have those services available while running the bare minimum OS/components without draining the main battery. My Jeep also has connected services and it doesn't lose measurable range over a weeks time (that's the longest it's sat without being used).

Rivian could/can offer a "low drain option" via software where it turns off basically everything except the ability to unlock the vehicle via fob/card or PAAK. Some of us would use that for sure because running the whole stack is extremely wasteful if you have no plans to use the vehicle for days at a time. Supposedly Gen 2 redesign was supposed to address that issue, but from what we've seen on this forum, it hasn't done much of anything for the customer.


A forum member just started this thread today.. look at the VD comparison between his Rivian and two other modern "connected" vehicles. Look at the bottom line where he runs the costs out for a full year:
Rivian- $143
Model 3 - $27
Lightning - $12

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