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Wow. The took an entire article to say what I said before, "What is the point?". Either get the dual or get the quad. I said that shortly after the tri came out. It is the "tweener" model.

BTW - I was spec peeping trying to compare performance numbers between the new quad and the old quad. What I found is that even the new quad is slower than the Cyberbeast in the 45-65 mph sprint that MT sometimes publishes numbers for.

They gushed how quick the new quad was vs old quad with this metric, but the CT beats them both. (1.2 for new quad, 1.1 for CT Cyberbeast, and my truck at a lot less than full charge and with a load, was 1.53 on my new AT tires). I am pretty sure I could get in the 1.4s with more charge and take out the stuff in the truck.
 

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Wow. The took an entire article to say what I said before, "What is the point?". Either get the dual or get the quad. I said that shortly after the tri came out. It is the "tweener" model.
Might be a tweener, but it has more performance than the Gen1 Quad and the same efficiency as the dual-motor on the highway (in Conserve...which acts like All-Purpose on the Dual). Depending on your needs, the Tri is actually the best option. You still get torque vectoring at the rear because it's a dual-motor drive unit out back. The Gen1 Quad has kind of been a disappointment off-road compared with a traditional 4WD system with or without lockers. If Rivian gave the Tri-motor a locker on the front drive unit it would be a no-brainer for off-road use. I'm waiting to see if they put a proper max pack in the R1T (180+ kWh) before I'll be looking to upgrade.
 

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Looking at specs doesn’t tell the whole story. This article seems to be focused on off road abilities and I can’t really speak to that as I don’t use my truck that way. I can tell you that there is a much bigger difference in person than on paper between the gen 1 quad and the tri motor.

The tri feels much faster and it is the first vehicle I’ve owned where I didn’t want a little more speed. I’m not sure whether it is the extra 100ftlbs of torque or the rear power bias but the tri motor feels a lot more gutsy than my old quad.

I can break the tires loose at will in my new one compared to my old one.
 

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Seems like the Tri is either a “tweener “ or it’s in the sweet spot. I’m glad they offer the three configurations.
It's a "tweener" and could be some people's "sweet spot".

Since we all have different priorities...my sweet spot is a G2 Halo Quadmax...because I value ultimate performance over efficiency.

The Trimax just doesn't offer me enough (performance...very negligible) to justify that spend.

Not saying it isn't some peoples sweet spot...as I am sure it is. People who want to spend less on the Tri...or that added range....makes sense...and I too am glad that they offer it.
 

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Looking at specs doesn’t tell the whole story. This article seems to be focused on off road abilities and I can’t really speak to that as I don’t use my truck that way. I can tell you that there is a much bigger difference in person than on paper between the gen 1 quad and the tri motor.

The tri feels much faster and it is the first vehicle I’ve owned where I didn’t want a little more speed. I’m not sure whether it is the extra 100ftlbs of torque or the rear power bias but the tri motor feels a lot more gutsy than my old quad.

I can break the tires loose at will in my new one compared to my old one.
Could simply be throttle mapping? Unless you are saying your G1 Quad would not break the tires loose at all...in which case something was very wrong with it.

This "feels faster" thing is typically a mind trick with throttle mapping...stability programming...etc... when the instrumentation testing doesn't agree.
 

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What are you not happy with on the tri motor specifically?
Yes, I would like to know also. I'm picking up my Tri Max next week. I chose it instead of waiting for the quad because, after driving a Gen 2 dual, I know I definitely do not need the additional power of the quad, and everything I've read indicates the tri does perfectly well off-road. I'm very curious about what you don't like about it.
 

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Tell me you haven't wheeled it much without telling me you haven't wheeled it much. Fly two wheels and it won't go anywhere...very common situation on a rocky trail. Gen1 motors also have lower stall torque and overheat easily on obstacles. It still does well in a lot of situations, but it also falls flat on its face in situations where a traditional 4WD system with lockers would dominate...this is indisputable and well-documented on this forum and elsewhere. Even the dual-motor Cybertruck with its lockers front and rear does better in those situations than a Gen1 Quad. Rivian probably could have tuned the drivetrain a bit better for those situations, but now they never will, and it would still be a reactive system vs lockers.
 

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While I respect standardizing the range test using default settings, it's worth noting:

As we tested the truck’s efficiency on our out-and-back MotorTrend Road-Trip Range test, we squeezed 267 miles out of the 140-kWh Max battery pack. To accomplish this, we traveled at a constant 70 mph on a relatively flat route in All Purpose drive mode, unladen, with only the driver in the truck.
This use case is specifically what Conserve mode is for. If I was on a 70mph flat constant highway trip, I'd not be in all-purpose.
 

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It's a "tweener" and could be some people's "sweet spot".
If there was no Tri, I'd probably have a Dual. Optioned out the way I wanted, the Tri was something like $6k more, so in that sense, it was almost a "free" upgrade. Personally, that kind of opportunistic upgrade is indeed a "sweet spot."

The big question is whether the quad is going to be positioned similarly to the Tri. Motor Trend is reiterating that they think it is, claiming a $10k premium for the upcoming quad (which will certainly be more once you throw on whatever upgrades it offers, like the bronze wheels or staggered summer tires). But I suspect in the same way the Tri lures DM shoppers, the QM will lure Tri shoppers.
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