Gen 2 Standard > Large battery pack.

[narmstrong79]

Why is Rivian so secretive about the new 'large' pack?

Why even offer a 'large' battery at all?

If the standard (LFP) gets 270miles , can be charged to 100% daily and likely fast charges faster.

The large is about 265miles charging to the recommended 80% daily and likely fast charging slower.

Sounds like the Standard would be the better road-trip one of the 2.

Besides being able to add the performance upgrade... What is the actual value proposition.

The same could be says about the max pack with performance... If you're spending that much money just go to the tri motor.

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[mpshizzle]

Why is Rivian so secretive about the new 'large' pack?

Why even offer a 'large' battery at all?

If the standard (LFP) gets 270miles , can be charged to 100% daily and likely fast charges faster.

The large is about 265miles charging to the recommended 80% daily and likely fast charging slower.

Sounds like the Standard would be the better road-trip one of the 2.

Besides being able to add the performance upgrade... What is the actual value proposition.

The same could be says about the max pack with performance... If you're spending that much money just go to the tri motor.

Hmmm. Somebody just watched Kyle's video ?

I suspect the reason they aren't saying much is it's probably still undergoing EPA testing. Just a guess but that's what I'm thinking

Rivian has officially stated that standard maxes out at 200kw. Large and Max 220kw. They have stated that they may try to get it to charge at 200kw for longer than it currently does, but LFP cannot take in energy or discharge at the same rate as comparable Nickle batteries. (Thats why performance is only on large/max).

Realistically 220kw peak vs 200kw but held for longer will likely make minimal difference at charging stops... Like maybe 5 minutes at best.

For me personally I'm fine foregoing the LFP because of dual performance. Plus the BMS on LFP can be a bit more temperamental

 

[Killer95Stang]

For a majority of people that charge at home and use the R1 primarily as a commuter/ grocery getter, what's the difference if you charge over night 80% or 100%? Also, EA has recently said they will limit charging to 85% to free up congestion.

They could free up chargers overnight if they stopped giving away free charging to vehicles bought from their parent company VW.

 

[Narya]

Reasons to get Large might be:

• Live in a climate with cold winters (LFP batteries don't charge well in the cold)
• You want the Dual Motor Performance

 

[narmstrong79]

For me personally I'm fine foregoing the LFP because of dual performance. Plus the BMS on LFP can be a bit more temperamental

I have a Gen 1 dual performance standard+ (software locked NMC large) while happy I added the performance, I spend 90% of my time in all purpose, as I assume most would.

 

[narmstrong79]

Reasons to get Large might be:

• Live in a climate with cold winters (LFP batteries don't charge well in the cold)
• You want the Dual Motor Performance

The general public isn't going to understand cold weather impact, especially when it's a direct to consumer business model with no sales person to up sell the LFP ability in cold.

While I said 'besides the performance mode". Maybe the large should only be offered in performance dual motor. If you don't want the performance mode you buy the max , of you want max and performance you buy the tri.

 

[DD4ST]

It is attractive to top off each night for a full start the next day. Having to manage charging for battery health on my lithium battery (I.e., letting it charge down to a percentage before charging) has caused me a few times to forget to plug in at home when low and having to fast charge the next day at a higher cost than my home electricity.

 

[usofrob]

I'm not convinced it'll charge quicker for long distance travel, and it won't have as much range when charged to the limit, say during a lunch break. I think Kyle let his prior bias judge his result and he wasn't clearly looking at the data. But, I could be wrong.

I would agree that the Large pack seems kind of silly. It's about the same size as the Gen1 Standard, and a lot smaller than the Standard+. Also, I thought I heard Kyle say that he put 100kwh into the battery. That seemed pretty significant when it says it's a 92kwh batter usable.

 

[narmstrong79]

I'm not convinced it'll charge quicker for long distance travel, and it won't have as much range when charged to the limit, say during a lunch break. I think Kyle let his prior bias judge his result and he wasn't clearly looking at the data. But, I could be wrong.

I would agree that the Large pack seems kind of silly. It's about the same size as the Gen1 Standard, and a lot smaller than the Standard+. Also, I thought I heard Kyle say that he put 100kwh into the battery. That seemed pretty significant when it says it's a 92kwh batter usable.

I couldn't watch Kyle's video, it was a 100-0% range test I would have, but him facetime style talking into a screen isn't for me. I have a Standard+ (121 kwh) rated at 300 miles. Since its a software locked capacity, i assume i could charge to 100% if i wanted too (I don't) since already they are blocking off ~10% of the capacity.

 

[Southern R1S]

For a majority of people that charge at home and use the R1 primarily as a commuter/ grocery getter, what's the difference if you charge over night 80% or 100%? Also, EA has recently said they will limit charging to 85% to free up congestion.

They could free up chargers overnight if they stopped giving away free charging to vehicles bought from their parent company VW.

EA limiting to 85% would be a huge win. The vehicles that have free charging just love to sit there until 100% (not 99%, not 98% -- 100%).

 

[narmstrong79]

EA limiting to 85% would be a huge win. The vehicles that have free charging just love to sit there until 100% (not 99%, not 98% -- 100%).

My guess, based on public perception this 85% limit isn't likely going to be implemented across all stations, this is a market study at this point. I do think something will change, EVs are past the point where they should be getting much free charging any more.

But even charging a 270mil range to 85% (~225 miles) in lets assume 40 mins or 330 range to 85% (280 miles)in 60 minutes is still less miles added added per minute, and in most cases your stopping a similar amount of times.

Obviously we need real charging data for standard, large and max to fully understand.

 

[CharonPDX]

While "Standard charged to its acceptable 100%" is more range than "Large charged to its acceptable 80%", for *road trips* you still only want to charge to 80% on Standard, because the charge curve slows significantly after 80%.

So for "usable range while road tripping", Large still wins by a decent amount.

And the charge curve on Large is probably better - it has a stated maximum charge of 220kW while Standard is only 200kW. And if Tesla LFP vs. NMC charge curves are a good comparison, Large should hold higher kW longer.

Standard is definitely the sweet spot for "almost entirely in-town driving, with only occasional non-towing road trips", though!

 

[narmstrong79]

Standard is definitely the sweet spot for "almost entirely in-town driving, with only occasional non-towing road trips", though!

I agree, but no one who does frequent long trips (>400 miles), especially towing shouldn't buy an EV at all.

 

[mpshizzle]

no one who does frequent long trips (>400 miles) shouldn't buy an EV at all.

Strongly disagree - it's not for everyone, but for those that own an EV - I quite enjoy the road trip experience (caveat - as long as I am on the Tesla SC network. EA sucks the joy out of road tripping)

especially towing shouldn't buy an EV at all.

Strongly Agree - long distance towing is not where it's at - ignoring the fact that your range is cut in half, the charging infrastructure is not built for pull through charging

 

[narmstrong79]

Strongly disagree - it's not for everyone, but for those that own an EV - I quite enjoy the road trip experience (caveat - as long as I am on the Tesla SC network. EA sucks the joy out of road tripping)

I may have been a little harsh, but there is a point where a ICE/hybrid just makes more sense. Everyone has a different tipping point.

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