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Hence my confusion. The consensus appears to be what you're saying but @baker appears to be indicating otherwise. Not trying to muddy the waters-just looking for clarification from @baker. Cheers.
He must be referring to Magic dock equipped Superchargers. While technically correct, the post detracts from the port of the thread:

If you're able to get a NACS to CCS1 adapter, you won't be able to use it until Rivian is officially launched on the Supercharger network.
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Hence my confusion. The consensus appears to be what you're saying but @baker appears to be indicating otherwise. Not trying to muddy the waters-just looking for clarification from @baker. Cheers.
@baker posted a photo of a Brooklyn, NY, Supercharger that has a Magic Dock. This thread is referring to availability of Superchargers without magic docks.
 

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Anyone who has been following this knows this to be true. If they are gullible enough to buy an adapter and try it, well, they will learn something.
 

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Anyone who has been following this knows this to be true. If they are gullible enough to buy an adapter and try it, well, they will learn something.
Yea, but I will say if you are desperate and don't want to wait for the free adapter when released, buying an adapter now for future use isn't a crazy idea. But they certainly don't work now as you say (and has been confirmed dozens of times).
 

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Anyone who has been following this knows this to be true. If they are gullible enough to buy an adapter and try it, well, they will learn something.
At this point, the only benefit of buying an adapter early is if you'll be late in the delivery process once the official ones start shipping, and you want to be able to use Superchargers before your adapter arrives, but after they are turned on.

For example, Ford put up their "request a NACS adapter" web page at 5 AM Pacific. Needless to say, I was asleep. I filled out the form at about 9-9:30 AM.

My Ford estimate is that my adapter will arrive in June.

So if I want to use the Supercharger network with my Mach-E before June, a third party adapter is my option. (I'm not going to do that.)

I wonder if my Rivian adapter will arrive before my Ford.
 

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Exactly.

It's like years ago when Discover credit cards weren't accepted everywhere. Yes, the card was a standard size and fit in the card reader, yes the magnetic stripe was there and encoded properly according to standard, but most point of sale terminals would not authorize a Discover transaction because their payment network didn't support Discover. That's not exactly the situation with the Tesla superchargers, but you get the idea I hope.

Just because you can plug in doesn't mean the Tesla supercharger will give you a charge - this part of the transaction isn't covered by the NACS specifications.
The connector standard is open. The network is not. Kinda like the CCS1 standard and the Rivian Adventure Network is ... for now.
Ok I get it now, tesla is just a network provider at this point, NACS is an interface standard.
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. . . Everybody else has their own stupid app or a credit card reader that doesn't work. Their stations don't have certified ammeters so many jurisdictions make you pay by the minute. . .
I don't yet have my Rivian, and in fact have zero experience with EV's, so apologize if these are ignorant questions.
  1. What incentive would there be for an EV charging station to provide high-speed charging if their billing is based on the amount of time you were connected?
  2. Why wouldn't most EV charging station operators use time billing to maximize their revenue?
  3. A related question: Does time billing incentivize operators of high-speed chargers to raise their kWh-based rates to ensure that they get as much per-vehicle revenue as their time-billed competitors?
A bit unrelated, but perhaps also ignorant question. My understanding is that the short charging cable length means that most non-Tesla EV's using a SC will take up two charging stalls. Isn't this going to make for, shall we say, an interesting charging experience at your local Tesla SC location once that network is open to CCS vehicles?
 

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I don't yet have my Rivian, and in fact have zero experience with EV's, so apologize if these are ignorant questions.
  1. What incentive would there be for an EV charging station to provide high-speed charging if their billing is based on the amount of time you were connected?
  2. Why wouldn't most EV charging station operators use time billing to maximize their revenue?
  3. A related question: Does time billing incentivize operators of high-speed chargers to raise their kWh-based rates to ensure that they get as much per-vehicle revenue as their time-billed competitors?
A bit unrelated, but perhaps also ignorant question. My understanding is that the short charging cable length means that most non-Tesla EV's using a SC will take up two charging stalls. Isn't this going to make for, shall we say, an interesting charging experience at your local Tesla SC location once that network is open to CCS vehicles?
Regarding per minute. It's the only way to sell electricity in some places. Not because the charging companies so much but because the hardware. Just like at your house you have a certified electric meter, water meter, gas meter that exactly counts how much service you are getting. Charging stations don't have anything regulated by an oversight agency. To protect the public from cheating, government agencies say you can't sell by the kWh. There are many complex issues with reselling EV charging. This podcast is really good at describing it.


Using a Tesla station doesn't mean using two stalls and half of them become unusable. If you pull in to a station with your rivian and use the post to the left instead of the right and the next car pulls in next to you, say also a rivian, they will also use a left post. If only Rivian's or left sided cars use a sc station, only one station at the becomes disabled. That would be the one on the very right if there's no parking space to the right of it. If there's a mix then people have to hunt for a left or right opening. Ideally people will clump but it's not that organized with people pulling into a station they've never been to on the road. How many times have we all blocked a second pump at the gas station especially while towing?

Where I live there's a really screwy setup. A row of back to back chargers in a parking lot. One side is CCS and the back is Tesla. If you park on the back you use Tesla. If you park on the front you use CCS. However the CCS stations have two plugs on every dispenser for each parking space. If you park on the back side you can use that second dispenser but will be blocking the Tesla parking spot. People arriving both for CCS and Tesla will get a report that dispensers are available but there is no parking space to access it when they get there.
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