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Does Tony have naked pics of RJ or something?

Cause his job security seems bulletproof.

I somehow have developed this image of Tony being Mr. Bill.

“Oh nooooo, another email from Mr. Bill! Carnage is sure to follow.

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I don’t think I can go any further with you here. You’re referring to trial law, but the FTC is not a court, and you’re repeatedly making comparisons outside of the clear criteria which defines bait and switch as stated in the FTC rules (which I’ve linked to above). It’s pretty simple and there isn’t really anything else to it. You’re confusing the issue with statements that don’t apply. Just look up the rules.
I don't think I saw any links in your posts. And I'm definitely not confused about these issues.

But regardless, there's zero risk to Rivian here. Any max pack statements need to be evaluated based on what Rivian knew and intended *at the time they were made,* so won't be the basis for a private suit or an enforcement action. There wasn't a "bait" scheme to trick consumers into buying a more expensive product by dangling the max pack in front of them to get them in the door. The max pack was the more expensive product, and still is, given that pricing was raised across the board for all products.

Rivian didn't change prices until they'd taken orders and started production, and those price increases impacted the Max Pack as well as the large pack. You're not going to get the FTC interested in this, where a startup company with no manufacturing experience raised prices on new orders only (while holding pricing constant for those old orders you claim are "bait" orders), and is having trouble producing what remains a premium model in a supply-constrained environment.
 
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It sounds like there's a lot of people on here who should not be early adopters. Rivian has been has been far more effective with their communication than Tesla has ever been..... They are bringing a brand new product to the market, and they're suffering from the same supply issues that all other automakers are but worse, because they're new to the game and competing with established competitors for the products they need. If you're that impatient, perhaps you should be finding something more suitable to your needs.
 

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Just received. I wonder if the Max Pack or the Cybertruck will get here first...

As an order holder AND stockholder in both Rivian and Tesla I'm beginning to think that the answer is ....

the EV Silverado.

Thankfully I have a reservation for all three of them.

Originally I hoped to finish paying for one of them by the time I retired. Now I'm wondering if I'll even be able to take delivery of one of them before I retire.
 

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Impatient?? LOL. Some of us have been waiting for over 4 years while Rivian perpetually kicks the can. The max pack was initially supposed to be the first iteration produced.
I decided when the original delays happened that I was more interested in getting my truck first than the max pack, and ultimately that's why I had reserved the max pack, because at the time I was lead to believe it would be available at launch. The fact that Rivian let me change my reservation to something that was actually available doesn't meet the definition of a bait and switch. My pre-order was a deposit for "a future vehicle" and they let me change to get it sooner, since that's what was important to me.
 

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I never said anything about a bait and switch and don't give a crap about the legalese garbage.

My issue is that they are perpetually saying it's delayed, but just into the not TOO distant future. So it's constantly a....well I've waited this long what's another 6 months. If they would have said from the get-go that it's going to be a 'a long friggin' time' before we get that max pack out, most of us would not be in this position.
 

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I hope people realized they gave away $100 to RAM to let you know when you can put a deposit down ahead of the general public nothing more, NOT a deposit. Windfall fo RAM on hiding it in the fine print. More deception smoke and mirrors from the manufacturer to the consumer.
 

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I never said anything about a bait and switch and don't give a crap about the legalese garbage.

My issue is that they are perpetually saying it's delayed, but just into the not TOO distant future. So it's constantly a....well I've waited this long what's another 6 months. If they would have said from the get-go that it's going to be a 'a long friggin' time' before we get that max pack out, most of us would not be in this position.
This is my fear. How many of us have already been forced into one sub-optimal vehicle purchase as we wait? I’m about to experience my second sub-optimal purchase, if this truck doesn’t appear soon.

Edit to correct auto-correct.
 
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I originally configured a Explorer trim with Max Pack. In June of 2022 from reading the tea leaves it seemed that would be very late in arriving, if ever. I changed to Adventure trim with standard battery pack and in 6 weeks was driving my R1T. The range of the standard pack as greatly exceeded my expectation and can easily handle my Minnesota winter trips. Changing configurations was a good move for me.
Have considered doing the same thing. I originally configured Adventure pkg with max battery. All the other things I had on my original R1T have been stripped away. (tonneau cover, kitchen, tent...) I now have CY/21"/manual cover/max pk. configured Feb. 2021. Feel the only reason I don't have my vehicle is the max battery. But my drives a few times a year are from Virginia to New Mexico. (back and forth multiple times) I really would like the extra miles a max battery would give me. Think it's coming down to R1T in weeks without larger battery, wait until they recalculate in April to tell me there will be no Max batteries, ever.
 

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This is my fear. How many of us have already been forced into one sub-optimal vehicle purchase as we wait? I’m about to experience my second sun-optimal purchase, if this truck doesn’t appear soon.
Interesting. How were you “forced”? Did a squad of goons show up at your doorstep? I don’t see how Rivian offering you a vehicle without all the options you wanted qualifies as you being forced to purchase a sub-optimal vehicle. You could have easily said “no, thanks, i’ll wait” or “forget it, i want my money back”.

I pre-ordered my max pack in December 2018 and I’m still patiently waiting. I did accept & purchase a “sub-optimal” R1T with a large pack last summer and am very glad I did. When the max pack R1T finally shows up I’ll accept & purchase that and sell my large pack — no need for any hysterics. I agree with @HalliBee, a lot of people here should not be early adopters.
 

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Interesting. How were you “forced”? Did a squad of goons show up at your doorstep? I don’t see how Rivian offering you a vehicle without all the options you wanted qualifies as you being forced to purchase a sub-optimal vehicle. You could have easily said “no, thanks, i’ll wait” or “forget it, i want my money back”.
My first forced purchase happened right at Thanksgiving 2021, when an uninsured 19-year-old forced our SUV off the interstate at high speed. The SUV was totaled. We needed a tow vehicle, and our other little EV car can't tow a trailer. Does that meet your definition of "forced?" It met mine.

My potential second forced purchase will be when my mother, who lives right at the poverty line, can no longer get her 2008 minivan to function. She's recently put a new transmission in it (against my wishes), as well as two other repairs, for about $7,000. Way more than it's worth.

The original idea was to give her our (now totaled) SUV which was in mint condition whenever we took delivery the Max Pack ("s00n").

My mother will get to drive a brand-new SUV (well, it's over a year old now) IF WE EVER GET THAT BLEEPIN' MAX PACK.

Once we get the Max Pack, we will be a two-EV family, and the Max Pack will be our long-distance, cold-weather, trailer-towing vehicle.

And my poor Mother will finally be driving a safe, all-wheel drive, loaded-with-airbags vehicle that she didn't have to pay for and doesn't have to insure.
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