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it will all depend on the demand. If there is money to be made they will build the chargers. It will hit the tipping point in 3-4 years IMHO
The whole EA network is a result of Dieselgate and all the planned buildout (including cycle 4) is required under the settlement terms.
For continued expansion it is very likely that they will need funding/participation from automakers. The ROI on a DCFC installation @ $.40/kWh is never.
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The whole EA network is a result of Dieselgate and all the planned buildout (including cycle 4) is required under the settlement terms.
For continued expansion it is very likely that they will need funding/participation from automakers. The ROI on a DCFC installation @ $.40/kWh is never.
They will get funding eventually. Someday big oil/gas will lose out and politicians will have their hands out for contributions from the other side. Basically the people will make it happen. If automakers put out great vehicles that people enjoy driving, than the demand will drive the infrastructure. I'm sure it will take both private and public funds to make it happen
 

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Interesting, no CCS equivalent to TCP?
Communication and coding are not my forte, but as I understand it, there is a "open source" protocol for CCS, but it is effectively open in name only, and is far more complex than CHADEMO. Again, as I understand it, CHADEMO effectively uses the same CANBus protocol as the rest of the car, but CCS uses its own language. On top of that, each manufacturer implements the CCS protocol slightly differently.

Manufacturers/the industry at large are once again using their favorite fig leaf "safety" to be very cagey about allowing access. (I'll avoid my rant about Tesla/GM using the co-development of EVs and AVs as a convenient excuse to block right-to-repair by scaring the public with some slight of hand, but just note that its a larger problem than just CCS)
 

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Communication and coding are not my forte, but as I understand it, there is a "open source" protocol for CCS, but it is effectively open in name only, and is far more complex than CHADEMO. Again, as I understand it, CHADEMO effectively uses the same CANBus protocol as the rest of the car, but CCS uses its own language. On top of that, each manufacturer implements the CCS protocol slightly differently.

Manufacturers/the industry at large are once again using their favorite fig leaf "safety" to be very cagey about allowing access. (I'll avoid my rant about Tesla/GM using the co-development of EVs and AVs as a convenient excuse to block right-to-repair by scaring the public with some slight of hand, but just note that its a larger problem than just CCS)
I wouldn't be surprised. However, if that's true, the standard needs to be more clearly defined.

I had an issue years back with interoperability between two network infrastructure vendors where the larger one actually said "the other guys adhere too closely to the standard". You either adhere to a well-written standard, or you don't...
 

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There are a couple of IEC standards which apply. These are available to anyone (willing to pay the fee). I don't think the -2 version is fully agreed upon yet and this may be holding things up a bit. It covers things like plug-and-charge and V2G. The hangups seem to be with respect to the security and reliability of the proposed communications protocols (are they immune to man in the middle attacks, what happens if the terminal connects to the net via cellular and the nearest tower goes down etc, etc, etc). Presumably eventually the members will iron all this out, the -2 standard will be promulgated and at that point an OEM either decides to adhere or go it on his own.

The fact that there is a CHAdeMO to Tesla adapter and CCS to Tesla adapters attests to the fact that the standards even as they are suffice to allow the interconnection. The fact that the CCS to Tesla adapter not made by Tesla does not work at all CCS terminals attests to the fact that there is enough wiggle room in the current standard that failure is possible.
 

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EA has released their "Cycle 3 National ZEV Investment Plan". I thought this slide from the summary materials is helpful for a quick glance at where they're expanding. Big note though: this is expansion outside of California only, since California has a separate investment plan required by CARB.

You can find the full materials here: https://www.electrifyamerica.com/our-plan/

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As a reminder, this cycle will theoretically run from Jan 2022 to July 2024. I also do not think this is necessarily everything that will be added during this time. They are committed to at least this.

Edit: The highway routes are shown by the green lines on that map, but here's the list from slide 10, which has a similar map but without the metro areas highlighted.

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EA has released their "Cycle 3 National ZEV Investment Plan". I thought this slide from the summary materials is helpful for a quick glance at where they're expanding. Big note though: this is expansion outside of California only, since California has a separate investment plan required by CARB.

You can find the full materials here: https://www.electrifyamerica.com/our-plan/

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As a reminder, this cycle will theoretically run from Jan 2022 to July 2024. I also do not think this is necessarily everything that will be added during this time. They are committed to at least this.
The cool part of that is the new travel corridors ("charging deserts") that they will be addressing.

That includes Houston to College Station. Gig 'Em!
 
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The cool part of that is the new travel corridors ("charging deserts") that they will be addressing.

That includes Houston to College Station. Gig 'Em!

Maine....up to Bangor......

which, when you combine with other DCFCs, RAN and waypoints, and the future availability of a Tesla>CCS adapter should make most of the state and entry into Canada accessible.
 

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Here's the corridor graphic.

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