[Debunked by ABRP] Rivian R2 / R3 / R3X Range Figures & Powertrains

[André]

Update:
ABRP confirmed these range figures are just them guessing based on public info.


Original post:

R2 Single Motor Standard Pack: 283ml
R2 Single Motor Large Pack: 386mi
R2 Dual Motor Standard Pack: 270mi
R2 Dual Motor Large Pack: 375mi
R2 Tri Motor Large Pack: 365mi
R3: 394mi
R3X: 360mi

https://www.torquenews.com/17998/ri...QL9rofEsTgksWWNufW_aem_MJTTanLpW4LdBIvZgaOTYg

“While using A Better Routeplanner, ABRP for short, to loosely plan out some trips this summer… I was very surprised to see not only R2 but R3 and R3X options available.” ​

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Using ABRP’s backend tools, jb_nelson_ extracted trip data and performance estimates that suggested the R2 will come in three driveline configurations, Single, Dual, and Tri Motor, with two battery pack options for the Single and Dual and a Large Pack-only setup for the Tri. He calculated likely EPA ranges using a regression analysis comparing ABRP data with known R1T and R1S figures:​

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"R2 Single Motor Standard Pack: 283miles.​

R2 Single Motor Large Pack: 386 miles.​

R2 Dual Motor Standard Pack: 270 miles.​

R2 Dual Motor Large Pack: 375 miles.​

R2 Tri Motor Large Pack: 365mi."​

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[Mark_AZR1T]

If these specs hold, I'm skeptical a 283-mile Single Motor Standard Pack at $45K will be competitive by Q3 or Q4 2026, when any real volume could take place. Who knows, but I think 300 miles is the new norm at this price point...

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Seems like a good range for the price.

 

[mkg3]

Bit sketchy... In spirit of rumors, it is optimistic.

The thing that I question the most is the range for the large packs. It's a full 100 miles more. so that means that the battery pack must also be 35% more on a smaller unitized body SUV.

If holds to be true, it basically will kill off R!S for just about everyone except those that must have 3rd row or tow heavier trailer.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

The standard range seems competitive to me. The new model Y long range is 49k before tax credit and has a 327 mi EPA range.

The R2 will be a much more capable vehicle than Model Y too so I do see the value there. Let’s hope it qualifies for the tax credit. If it does that means an effective starting price of $37,500 for a really compelling vehicle.

The biggest concern I have for Rivian right now and with the success of R2 is them being able to resolve the long service wait times and parts supply issues. The problems with service are not related to the staff at the service centers….those folks are awesome…it’s a top down issue.

 

[ndmiller]

I have a Y and an R1T and both will do well when the R2 deliveries begin. While I think people might cross shop between Rivian, Tesla, VW, Hyunda, Kia, Etc.... each brand offers a slightly different focus and will do well in the EV space as R2/R3 come online along with Scout somewhat later.

In my case, I don't think the R2 could replace either my Y or my R1T, but my wife's GX could be replaced with an R2 or a Scout. Maybe our Ford Maverick could be replaced by an R2/R3 T, but nothing has been announced, so not sure it's in the cards.

On the range side, I think it only matters to non EV drivers as I never think about range with either the T or the Y anymore. Just plan ahead a bit charging at home or planning a trip and it's a non-issue. BUT it's the only question anyone ever asks about either, how far will it go on a charge? My answer is without any planning X miles, with planning essentially forever with 20 minute stops.

 

[TexasBob]

If these hold, my reservation is converting to a Tri-Motor R2 Large pack the moment ordering opens. Mid 300s is the sweet spot for me (current R1T = 351).

 

[moosetags]

I know that most of us here have been discussing Rivian service issues for years now. With the pending introduction of the R2 next year, Rivian better get serious about expanding its service capabilities right now. With its much lower price point, the R2 is sure to be a big hit with consumers.

The R2 could easily equal the total number of R1s in a single year. If this were to happen without major expansion of Rivian's service capability, wait time for service and repairs could easily get into the six to nine month time frame. Many will find this unacceptable and will purchase another EV.

If Rivian can not resolve this situation on their own, they need to partner with another provider to reach the necessary level of service.

Brian

 

[3wisemonkeyz]

Better yet, improve R2 quality and reliability such that service visits as a percentage of total on-road vehicles DECREASES.

 

[BigSkies]

I’m not enough of an engineering person to do the math myself, but this seems incredibly optimistic compared to what Rivian has shared. I’ll believe it when we hear something official from Rivian.

I’d believe the large pack numbers if they were in the 300-325 mile range.

 

[Kaiju]

I don't suppose there's any info on the actual battery sizes?

Based on dimensions an R2 has about 85% the frontal area of an R1 and is going to be lighter. We'd have to make some guesstimates about weight since it doesn't seem to be readily available, but since it's about 93% the length of an R1S with fewer components we can probably presume it's 10-15% lighter. Its internal volume is only 80% but the actual material reductions probably won't scale.

At highway speed frontal area is proportional to drag, so if the R2 large battery was the same size as the current 2025 large that would lend itself towards 386 miles just with the reduction in frontal area. Weight doesn't matter all that much at highway cruising, however rolling resistance and weight impact range where wind is less of a factor and since that's roughly the same scale in reduction I suppose I could buy that in the blended range tests that it could get 15% more miles than an R1 with the same battery.

The only question is if it's the same battery. Unless there's some voodoo going on with the drag coefficient despite it's SUV brick-ness, it doesn't seem like the math would work on anything less than the current KWH. I'd note that a possible explanation for the weirdness of the gen 2 large battery would be if it was actually meant for the R2.

 

[kurtlikevonnegut]

I don't suppose there's any info on the actual battery sizes?

Based on dimensions an R2 has about 85% the frontal area of an R1 and is going to be lighter. We'd have to make some guesstimates about weight since it doesn't seem to be readily available, but since it's about 93% the length of an R1S with fewer components we can probably presume it's 10-15% lighter. Its internal volume is only 80% but the actual material reductions probably won't scale.

At highway speed frontal area is proportional to drag, so if the R2 large battery was the same size as the current 2025 large that would lend itself towards 386 miles just with the reduction in frontal area. Weight doesn't matter all that much at highway cruising, however rolling resistance and weight impact range where wind is less of a factor and since that's roughly the same scale in reduction I suppose I could buy that in the blended range tests that it could get 15% more miles than an R1 with the same battery.

The only question is if it's the same battery. Unless there's some voodoo going on with the drag coefficient despite it's SUV brick-ness, it doesn't seem like the math would work on anything less than the current KWH. I'd note that a possible explanation for the weirdness of the gen 2 large battery would be if it was actually meant for the R2.

Only data point on battery size so far is RJs picture of the R2 pack which indicates a 91kwh battery. Based on these numbers it's hard to imagine that being the Large pack unless the R2 is incredibly efficient for it's shape and weight.

 

[SeaGeo]

read the comments on reddit, ABRP confirmed these are just them guessing based on public info.

And from ABRP's original post:
https://www.iternio.com/post/rivian-r2-r3-and-r3x-now-available-in-a-better-routeplanner

 

[CharonPDX]

Update:
ABRP confirmed these range figures are just them guessing based on public info.

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Reminder: Just because Rivian now owns ABRP doesn't mean the people who are day-to-day involved with ABRP have any inside knowledge about Rivian vehicles. From what I can tell, ABRP is still essentially being run as a separate company.

 

[R1SFamilyGuy]

Humor me here, people.

theoretically, if they put a Max pack from the R1 into an R2, wouldn’t that give like a crazy amount of range? And to figure out cost, work backwards from that till an optimal range/cost is achieved - goal being to get no-doubt-best-in-market range at reasonable cost.

wouldn’t doing this be more important than new type of battery pack/assembly which I think RJ posted about recently?

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