Cybertruck Laugh of the Day [⚠️ WARNING: NO POLITICS; MEMBERS BANNED]

[s4wrxttcs]

Even if the answer is yes, we know Tesla will deny it because the human was supposed to take over in the .5 seconds between when it detected the imminent crash and impact

Just for the record the NHTSA doesn't allow any company off the hook for an accident that occurred .5 seconds between the hand off.

I don't recall what it was exactly, but I think it was 10 seconds or more.

Of course this tidbit of info won't really matter how much longer the Trump administration will remove the need for reporting crash info to the NHTSA for L2/L3/L4 related crashes. This is his gift to the billionaires club.

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[COdogman]

Just for the record the NHTSA doesn't allow any company off the hook for an accident that occurred .5 seconds between the hand off.

I don't recall what it was exactly, but I think it was 10 seconds or more.

Of course this tidbit of info won't really matter how much longer the Trump administration will remove the need for reporting crash info to the NHTSA for L2/L3/L4 related crashes. This is his gift to the billionaires club.

Agreed that is likely the path we are going down, unfortunately for the rest of us.

According to this article it was less than a second or during impact that it disengages. I am sure the NHTSA looks at it differently, but Tesla claims that is how it's supposed to work

https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-investigation-shutoff-crash/#google_vignette

 

[SANZC02]

Agreed that is likely the path we are going down, unfortunately for the rest of us.

According to this article it was less than a second or during impact that it disengages. I am sure the NHTSA looks at it differently, but Tesla claims that is how it's supposed to work

https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-investigation-shutoff-crash/#google_vignette

That is the beauty of it. It is a driver assist system so they can claim there is no need for a handoff because driver was always in control.

 

[COdogman]

That is the beauty of it. It is a driver assist system so they can claim there is no need for a handoff because driver was always in control.

How convenient for them! Makes you wonder why they aren't allowed to use the names "Autopilot" and "full self driving" in Europe. It's almost as if the names are misleading or people can't be trusted to use them properly

 

[s4wrxttcs]

Agreed that is likely the path we are going down, unfortunately for the rest of us.

According to this article it was less than a second or during impact that it disengages. I am sure the NHTSA looks at it differently, but Tesla claims that is how it's supposed to work

https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-investigation-shutoff-crash/#google_vignette

The Tesla self reporting can't be trusted.

This is why the NHTSA data is so critical.

I took a look at it again and its 30 seconds. That seems reasonable to me.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/2023-04/Second-Amended-SGO-2021-01_2023-04-05_2.pdf

 

[NY_Rob]

The Tesla self reporting can't be trusted.

FYI, Tesla also self reports all their vehicle EV range figures. Now you know why no nobody (who's telling the truth) gets the EV range you see on the Tesla site.

 

[COdogman]

The Tesla self reporting can't be trusted.

This is why the NHTSA data is so critical.

I took a look at it again and its 30 seconds. That seems reasonable to me.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/2023-04/Second-Amended-SGO-2021-01_2023-04-05_2.pdf

That is not the actual disengagement timing from real accidents, rather the reporting requirement is that if ADAS was in use up to 30 seconds prior to a crash it must be reported to NHTSA Per the order.

Data from actual crashes has shown it disengages under a second before or during a crash (essentially during).

6. “Engaged,” for the purpose of determining whether the ADS or Level 2 ADAS


on the subject vehicle was “engaged,” includes crashes in which an attempt was made to engagean ADAS or ADS to transfer partial or full control to an ADAS or ADS system, even if the


attempt is rejected, aborted, or underway during the 30 seconds immediately prior to the


commencement of the crash through the conclusion of the crash.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Just for the record the NHTSA doesn't allow any company off the hook for an accident that occurred .5 seconds between the hand off.

I don't recall what it was exactly, but I think it was 10 seconds or more.

Of course this tidbit of info won't really matter how much longer the Trump administration will remove the need for reporting crash info to the NHTSA for L2/L3/L4 related crashes. This is his gift to the billionaires club.

10 microns of time based accuracy.

 

[mkg3]

Came across this...

https://www.carscoops.com/2025/01/1...tan-looks-more-like-a-tool-shed-than-a-tesla/

 

[COdogman]

Came across this...

https://www.carscoops.com/2025/01/1...tan-looks-more-like-a-tool-shed-than-a-tesla/

Build quality is much better on that one.

 

[Zoidz]

Came across this...

https://www.carscoops.com/2025/01/1...tan-looks-more-like-a-tool-shed-than-a-tesla/

What I don't understand is why someone with the skills, interest and time to fabricate a car body would clone the CT?

 

[s4wrxttcs]

That is not the actual disengagement timing from real accidents, rather the reporting requirement is that if ADAS was in use up to 30 seconds prior to a crash it must be reported to NHTSA Per the order.

Data from actual crashes has shown it disengages under a second before or during a crash (essentially during).

The reporting requirements is so that automakers can't get away with saying their L2 system didn't play a role in the accident just because the L2 system turns off right before an accident.

30 seconds is a reasonable amount of time for a driver to take over control. It's also a standard reporting requirement that all makers of L2/L3 systems have to follow for reporting purposes.

Even Tesla knows better than to claim it wasn't an AP/FSD related accident if it disengages .5 seconds before a crash.

For their Vehicle Safety report they use 5 seconds which I personally believe is too short, but its certainly better than .5 seconds.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-releases-vehicle-safety-report-for-q1-2024/

 

[s4wrxttcs]

FYI, Tesla also self reports all their vehicle EV range figures. Now you know why no nobody (who's telling the truth) gets the EV range you see on the Tesla site.

Tesla does a number of things to look better than they really are in terms of range.

On my 2022 Model 3P they tested it with the wheels that didn't even come on the vehicle. This made a dramatic difference. Sure I could have changed wheels/tires but I'd lose out on handling.

Apparently they also run EPA's full five cycle test which is completely okay, but then it becomes hard to compare against the 2 cycle test.

https://insideevs.com/news/586646/how-tesla-wins-on-epa-estimated-range/

They also don't reduce the range figure to make it more applicable to real world driving.

I don't even bother looking at range estimates from manufactures as it has no relevancy to the range I care about. So I focus on user reported numbers.

 

[COdogman]

The reporting requirements is so that automakers can't get away with saying their L2 system didn't play a role in the accident just because the L2 system turns off right before an accident.

30 seconds is a reasonable amount of time for a driver to take over control. It's also a standard reporting requirement that all makers of L2/L3 systems have to follow for reporting purposes.

Even Tesla knows better than to claim it wasn't an AP/FSD related accident if it disengages .5 seconds before a crash.

For their Vehicle Safety report they use 5 seconds which I personally believe is too short, but its certainly better than .5 seconds.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-releases-vehicle-safety-report-for-q1-2024/

Totally agree that reporting should collect all incidents in that 30 second window.

To be clear, the reporting requirements were not what the article (or I) was referring to. It is about 16 specific incidents that involved Tesla’s using Autopilot that crashed into first responder scenes or road maintenance operations and in those cases Autopilot disengaged less than a second before impact.

This is just a fraction of the overall reported incidents, but Autopilot seems to have a real issue in situations with stopped vehicles like emergency responders or road crews because this keeps happening.

The agency’s analysis of these sixteen subject first responder and road maintenance vehicle crashes indicated that Forward Collision Warnings (FCW) activated in the majority of incidents immediately prior to impact and that subsequent Automatic Emergency Braking (AEB) intervened in approximately half of the collisions. On average in these crashes, Autopilot aborted vehicle control less than one second prior to the first impact.

All subject crashes occurred on controlled-access highways. Where incident video was available, the approach to the first responder scene would have been visible to the driver an average of 8 seconds leading up to impact. Additional forensic data available for eleven of the collisions indicated that no drivers took evasive action between 2-5 seconds prior to impact, and the vehicle reported all had their hands on the steering wheel leading up to the impact. However, most drivers appeared to comply with the subject vehicle driver engagement system as evidenced by the hands-on wheel detection and nine of eleven vehicles exhibiting no driver engagement visual or chime alerts until the last minute preceding the collision (four of these exhibited no visual or chime alerts at all during the final Autopilot use cycle).

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INOA-EA22002-3184.PDF

 

[dleepnw]

How does an e-bike total a Cybertruck when it has a bullet proof exoskeleton and is “built for any planet”?

https://www.torquenews.com/11826/my...ideswiped-e-scooter-all-i-paid-198k-insurance

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