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Wikipedia says that the EDV has the same 135kWh battery as the large pack on the original R1, although they mention a transition to an undefined LFP battery.

One of the biggest challenges with electrified transport is that the energy needs increase rapidly as vehicle size increases. The same battery that gives an R1 ~300 miles of range gives an EDV roughly half the same range. Battery size and costs go up pretty rapidly.
I just wonder how Ford and Mercedes are able to make electric delivery vans that are both cheaper and have more range? Maybe because they’re producing on a larger scale?
 

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My mouth is already watering to buy one of these used in a few years.
 

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I just wonder how Ford and Mercedes are able to make electric delivery vans that are both cheaper and have more range? Maybe because they’re producing on a larger scale?
Nope. Rivian sold more vans than the eSprinter and eTransit combined last year.

https://insideevs.com/news/747497/rivian-van-outsold-ford-etransit-mercedes-esprinter-2024/

There could be economies of scale for the underlying shared-platforms of the other vans with their ICE counterparts, but probably not enough to account for it.

The other possibility is that the other brands are selling purposefully at a loss for CO2 credits or other reasons, while Rivian is charging enough to actually cover the cost.
 

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Nope. Rivian sold more vans than the eSprinter and eTransit combined last year.

https://insideevs.com/news/747497/rivian-van-outsold-ford-etransit-mercedes-esprinter-2024/

There could be economies of scale for the underlying shared-platforms of the other vans with their ICE counterparts, but probably not enough to account for it.

The other possibility is that the other brands are selling purposefully at a loss for CO2 credits or other reasons, while Rivian is charging enough to actually cover the cost.
That’s great! I’m glad Rivian is getting those EDVs out there. The range must be sufficient for some businesses. I’d love to see them sell a consumer version with more range in the future. You know for the van life folks. ?
 

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That’s great! I’m glad Rivian is getting those EDVs out there. The range must be sufficient for some businesses. I’d love to see them sell a consumer version with more range in the future. You know for the van life folks. ?
The overwhelming majority of commercial vans drive less than 100 miles a day.

City delivery vans (UPS/FedEx/Amazon) tend to be under 100; "rural" UPS/FedEx/etc delivery tend to be about 150 miles. Commercial service vehicles (plumbing, painting, yard work) tend to be even less than that. When I did on-site service work, doing 3-6 appointments a day all over a major metro area, I averaged about 75 miles a day. (I also tried to schedule appointments to be in similar areas of town so I wasn't criss-crossing wasting billable time driving between appointments, but keeping between-appointment drives as short as possible. But there were times when I'd go 50 miles between appointments, and my total mileage for the day would be ~150.)
 

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Curious how many B&J are going to purchase. These make so much sense for the food trucks.
Briefly thought you said you wanted to know how many bjs it took to purchase one (because I was up for the task).
 

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Hm… that’s true. I really am surprised that these have such low range for the price.
The range of the EDV's was specifically laid out by Amazon when Rivian was designing the vans. It was designed for the average driver to do their route on a single charge. Most delivery drivers drive only 50mi a day, but it's a lot of stop-and-go driving. That's why the vans were designed this way.
 

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The range of the EDV's was specifically laid out by Amazon when Rivian was designing the vans. It was designed for the average driver to do their route on a single charge. Most delivery drivers drive only 50mi a day, but it's a lot of stop-and-go driving. That's why the vans were designed this way.
Makes sense. I guess I was just hoping it would be a viable vehicle for personal use as well.
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