400+ Escalade EV for 2021— what does this forum think?

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just saw this article and wanted to share it with this forum and hear your opinions.

Cadillac Escalade EV SUV Is Coming With 400 Miles Of Range
https://insideevs.com/news/360965/cadillac-escalade-ev-400-miles-range/

I still think the Rivian R1S/R1T will be superior not just for the performance and ride quality but for the next-gen electronics. At least I hope so but would love the opinions of others that may have more experience and knowledge in owning a EVs. I have rented GM’s on business travel and their quality I think has been good in the last few years.

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My limited experience with Cadillac is that back in 2006/7 when I was shopping around for an SUV, I talked to a Cadillac rep about a hybrid or electric version of the Escalade. He said in the next year, two at most. Clearly that did not happen. Fast forward to earlier this year. I happened to stop by a Cadillac dealer (to pick up auto show ticket coupons) and asked about if they had any plans for an EV version of the Escalade. He said with a very disappointing look, "no," like if had been asked it a million times. Bottom line, at least for me, it seems like for GM to produce something new is like turning a cruise ship. They say they're going to do it (maybe) but takes forever before you hear anything about it, let alone have it available in a timely manner.

IMO one of the biggest unanswered questions hanging over Rivian is how they plan on providing service and maintenance. Until they provide us with how that will be handled, I think any legacy manufacturer is going to have a leg up on Rivian, at least in the eyes of the consumer. I really hope Rivian doesn't wait too long before revealing their service and maintenance plan or I could easily see people moving on from Rivian for their next EV.
 

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There was a time when Cadillac was at the forefront of American automotive engineering. However, those days were put behind them when GM started drawing its CEO's from the finance ranks instead of the engineering ranks, when brand marketing was elevated above technology innovation, and when its profit center moved from auto manufacturing to sales financing. I still remember GM's answer in the 1970's to the inroads Japan was making with its early Accords. While Japan engineered a small, efficient vehicle from the ground up, Cadillac's answer was to slap vinyl roofs and chromed plastic on a flawed Chevrolet Cavalier and rebrand it as the atrocious and over-priced Cimarron.

Things weren't much better on the organizational front a decade and a half later when Lexus and Honda both went from concept to product delivery in launching their Lexus and Acura luxury divisions in less than half the time it took the GM board to debate whether even to launch Saturn, much less to bring it to market.

There's a reason the Cadillac Escalade is a preferred vehicle for blinging out, and it's not the engineering. If Cadillac is going simply to slide an electric skateboard under an existing Escalade body, I have a feeling the effort will go the way of the Cimarron and Saturn.
 
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Totally agree with both these opinions and thank you for commenting...I really feel that the USA's auto industry is so behind the curve on EV's and they are just very reactionary---which can be dangerous---that reactionary impulse contributes to the ways of Cimarron and Saturn.

I also understand that support and maintenance is a big concern for all of us and important for us to understand before investing in Rivian. Until I test drive the vehicle I am making the assumption that it will be quality built based on the enthusiasm of the Rivian employee's I have met at the Overland West Expo. That enthusiasm and spirit I am told translates to the manufacturing plant too! That enthusiasm and inclusive culture that has been built by RJ, I believe will drive quality.

When you look at the amount of moving parts in a EV motor (25 moving parts) versus the ICS motor (over 250 moving parts), one can conclude it would be easier to attain quality. It will be quicker to find defects. The fact they have been in stealth for nine years also contributes to the likelihood of building quality by getting the kinks out early. Lastly, with the personnel they are hiring from various auto manufactures to help avoid mistake previously experience also contributes to build a better product.

Maybe I have happy ears on and justifying my intent to buy a Rivian...time will tell. I am a gadget guy, so this just may be an expensive one.
 

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The problem with legacy automakers like GM is that they don't really accomplish much in terms of innovation and EVs. They are structured in a way that is so bureaucratic that every decision takes them 7-10+ years. These companies are also founded on "creating products" not "innovation and doing things differently" which sets companies like Tesla & Rivian apart from companies like GM, Ford, etc.

I agree with @EyeOnRivian 's experience. GM (the parent company of Cadillac) has been known to be "all talk" with very little to no action on backing up anything they say.
 
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