20" Nitto Recon Grappler AT tires 25% more efficient than Pirelli OEM AT! The holy grail!

[garrison]

Does anyone have any experience with these in snow and ice as compared to the stock 20" tires?

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[SwampNut]

So far they have done a fantastic job with snow and ice. They have kept me far away from those things, as they should.

 

[HyperionMark]

Does anyone have any experience with these in snow and ice as compared to the stock 20" tires?

These aren't 3PMSF rated. Have to go to Nitto Nomad Grappler for that.

 

[rkalbiar]

How about wet/rain?

 

[dmc94]

Made this video after posting this thread given the number of people interested - Enjoy!



I’ve run 25k miles on my R1T beginning with my Pirelli OEM AT 20”. Those lasted about 17k miles before the noise was unbearable. I’ve tried several tires since then and found the holy grail of looks, comfort, and efficiency:

1. Pierelli OEM AT 275/65/20: good response, traction, and longetivity. Horrible noise and very stiff. Switched out at 17k miles and historical 1.85 M/kw
2. Michelin Defender LTX MS2 in 275/60/20: These reduced the size of my tire to 33”, but it was butter smooth, quiet, and efficiency jumped to around 2.4 M/KW. Looked bland, actually i hated the look. Was going to keep until i put it in sport in a spirited drive. These tires made the rivian dangerous - wobly, lack of traction. I had around 2k miles i changed them.
3. Michelin Defender Platinum 275/65/20: good look, quiet, soft - even for an LT tire. Traction was not great, but steering response was ok. Over 5k miles, it gave me an average of 1.9 M/kw. The reason i changed them out was because vibrations would always come back after 500-800 miles of being balanced.
4. Nitto Recon Grappler AT 116 275/65/20: AWESOME! Soft, quiet (not as quiet as the LTX), awesome look, no vibration. Best of all? I’m averaging 2.4 M/kw in my first 1k miles! I think it will do better once things settle more. The reason i believe so is because my commute is about 30 miles and with these, i’m consuming around 9% whereas my defender LTX was overing around 10%, with the OEM being around 12-13%.

The peson at Discount Tire pushed me towards the Nitto after my fails with the Michelins - i was not going to listen to him, but he said i will not regret. He told me that these weigh like 48lbs, the lightest AT, are 116 so will be soft and quiet vs an LT, and are much more efficient vs the Recon Grappler non AT. I’m so glad i did, so passing along to this forum! Adding pictrures of the three tires so you can see the look.

Any reason why you went with the Reacon Grappler over the Nomad Grappler? The Nomad is about $50 cheaper, 3PMSF rated, 5k less tread warranty, but pretty much the same specs otherwise. Seems like the Nomads have a less aggressive tread.

 

[SwampNut]

Any reason why you went with the Reacon Grappler over the Nomad Grappler? The Nomad is about $50 cheaper, 3PMSF rated, 5k less tread warranty, but pretty much the same specs otherwise. Seems like the Nomads have a less aggressive tread.

I can't answer for OP, but in my case you covered it in the last sentence. I wanted to keep some decent off road ability and have them be quiet. I have no need for the snow stuff. Reviews seem to put the Nomad more into a "barely fire road" tire and the Recon farther into real adventure on a more capable vehicle.

 

[dmc94]

I can't answer for OP, but in my case you covered it in the last sentence. I wanted to keep some decent off road ability and have them be quiet. I have no need for the snow stuff. Reviews seem to put the Nomad more into a "barely fire road" tire and the Recon farther into real adventure on a more capable vehicle.

Thanks!

 

[garrison]

Nomad grappler isn’t available in 275/65R20 I believe.

 

[AtomicRiv]

for what its worth been driving 275/65R20 AT since April. That light drone sound definitely goes away after breaking in, but still worlds better for that brief period than 20k+ Pirellis drone. Without data points, they are slightly more efficient for me. I also drive them at 42 PSI instead of max 44. Very comfortable, quiet ride. Once you are over the drive it like you stole it phase, the lack of sidewall stiffness is actually a better daily ride. Not quite in the ko2 on a wranger running lighter PSI feel, but close enough especially in soft suspension mode. No complaints on forest trails and light off roading.

At 42psi, do you just live with the low tire pressure warning from the TPMS?

 

[Jblaze121]

It doesn't alert at that level

You could probably look it up or just deflate a tire and see what the actual alert level is.

I would guess 38 or 35.

At 42psi, do you just live with the low tire pressure warning from the TPMS?

 

[AtomicRiv]

It doesn't alert at that level

You could probably look it up or just deflate a tire and see what the actual alert level is.

I would guess 38 or 35.

Well then, I will deflate... I've been running them at 47 psi...

 

[SwampNut]

I think mine alerts at 43 so I keep them at 44-45. You have to go above that, maybe 46, to reset the alert, then back down. Now I'm going to have to experiment with it again.

 

[DoubleTake]

Have my set for sale if anyone is interested

 

[Smileyboy]

Have my set for sale if anyone is interested

Why are you selling your set?

 

[rkalbiar]

Anyone use these in wet weather areas? How’s the rainy season?

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