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What a fantastically detailed writeup, thanks so much! I have been watching this topic as I am on the list to order sometime in Sept/Oct and this was the one thing I was having a hard time deciding. With this level of detail my decision is easy: 20 inchers all the way!
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Maybe it's just me, but what I fail to see in a lot of these 20" vs 21" discussions is the initial $1000 investment needed for the 20". Yes, I know that currently there are more options out there for 20", but that will change in ~2 years as the base of R2's with 21" start to replace their set of tires and more manufacturers will come in to fill that gap. This is essentially what happened with the early R1's. It's deja-vu all over again...
 

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it has the same 8-mm starting tread depth as the 21 and weighs only 2 lb more per complete assembly.
Many stock tires have less tread and lower life than the "equivalent" replacement or other comparable options. Guess that explains why my Nitto Grapplers seem to have far better life. Their starting depth is about 10mm (measured myself).
 
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I’ve been digging into the two main R2 wheel/tire packages because there’s been a lot of discussion about efficiency, range, ride quality and whether the 20” all-terrain setup carries a meaningful penalty. Now that Rivian has published more specs—and we have real R2 road/fleet data—the comparison is getting much clearer.

The two factory setups

20” All-Terrain21” All-SeasonTireBFGoodrich Trail-Terrain T/APirelli Scorpion MSSize255/60R20255/55R21Rivian-specificRIVRIV / ELECTLoad/speed113V XL112V XLOverall diameter32”32”New tread depth8 mm (~10/32”)8 mm (~10/32”)Wheel+tire weight64 lb62 lbRivian classificationAll-TerrainAll-SeasonSnow markingM+SM+S
Manufact. USAMexico
These are Rivian’s own published assembly specifications. The key surprise is that the 20” AT is not a conventional deep/heavy AT package: it has the same 8-mm starting tread depth as the 21 and weighs only 2 lb more per complete assembly. (Gear Shop - Rivian⁠)

Size and sidewall

Although both tires are nominally 255 mm wide, the 20 has substantially more sidewall:

20”21”Calculated sidewall153 mm / 6.02”140 mm / 5.52”Difference+12.75 mm / +0.50”

That’s about 9% more sidewall on the 20.

That should translate into better impact compliance, more wheel protection against potholes and rocks, and generally a more forgiving ride. The 21 should have somewhat less sidewall flex and potentially sharper initial steering response.

Because both packages remain approximately 32” in overall diameter, there is essentially no meaningful gearing, ride-height or speedometer difference.

Actual tread width is interesting

Nominal section width doesn’t tell the whole story.

Tire Rack lists the R2-specific BFG at approximately 7.5” tread width, versus 7.1” for the Pirelli. So despite both being labeled 255, the BFG puts roughly 0.4” / 5–6% more tread width across the road. (Tire Rack⁠)

20” BFG21” PirelliNominal width255 mm255 mmPublished tread width7.5”7.1”Tire UTQG520 BB500 AAMaximum load2,535 lb2,469 lbMax pressure50 psi51 psi
The BFG therefore carries 66 lb more rated load per tire, even though both are XL-rated V-speed tires. (Tire Rack⁠)

Tread depth: mystery solved

There had been some speculation that the BFG might have conventional AT tread in the ~12–13/32” range.

It doesn’t.

Rivian specifies both R2 tires at 8 mm, which is essentially 10/32”. (Gear Shop - Rivian⁠)

That’s significant. Reducing tread depth reduces tread-block squirm, weight and hysteresis losses—all things that can hurt rolling resistance.

So this appears to be a deliberately optimized RIV-spec BFG, rather than simply dropping an off-the-shelf AT tire onto the R2.

Tread design and intended use

This is where the tires differ much more substantially.

The Pirelli Scorpion MS is a road-focused crossover/SUV touring tire. Tire Rack identifies the RIV version as ELECT / electric-vehicle tuned, with a symmetric pattern engineered around efficiency, comfort, wet performance and low noise. (Tire Rack⁠)

The BFGoodrich Trail-Terrain has visibly larger shoulder blocks, more aggressive voids and a much more trail-oriented tread architecture. Rivian specifically describes it as a custom all-terrain setup intended for both pavement and unpaved driving. (Gear Shop - Rivian⁠)

Neither R2-specific tire is currently listed by Tire Rack as 3PMSF severe-snow rated. Both are M+S according to Rivian. (Tire Rack⁠)

So think:

21” = highway/touring/range tire

20” = road-friendly AT with substantially more rough-road capability

—not a hardcore KO2-type tire. The BFG’s 520 treadwear number is encouraging for longevity. However, the Pirelli’s A traction / A temperature ratings are stronger than the BFG’s B/B ratings.

Important caveat: UTQG traction is primarily a standardized straight-line wet-braking test. It is not an overall wet/dry handling grade, and treadwear numbers are most useful within a manufacturer’s own tire family rather than as perfect cross-brand comparisons.

Warranty: potentially a major 20” advantage

This one surprised me.

Tire Rack lists BFGoodrich’s Trail-Terrain T/A+ warranty schedule at:

6 years / 65,000 miles, or
6 years / 50,000 miles for original-equipment sizes.

It also carries the standard workmanship/materials provisions and a 60-day satisfaction program. (Tire Rack⁠)

The RIV Pirelli Scorpion MS has no mileage treadwear warranty listed, although it does carry a six-year workmanship/materials warranty. (Tire Rack⁠)

Warranty20” BFG21” PirelliMileage scheduleUp to 65k / 50k OE sizesNoneWorkmanship/materials6 years6 yearsUniformity1 yr / first 2/32

I would still verify how BFG applies its mileage warranty specifically to factory-installed OE tires, rather than assuming every new R2 automatically receives a 50,000-mile mileage guarantee.

Replacement cost and availability

Here’s another potentially significant long-term advantage for the 20.

At the time of this post, Tire Rack lists the RIV-spec tires at approximately:

20” BFG: $275 each

21” Pirelli: $442 each

That’s roughly $1,100 vs. $1,770 for four tires, before installation—about a $670 difference per replacement set at today’s listed prices. (Tire Rack⁠)

The 255/60R20 size also lives in a much larger SUV/truck tire ecosystem. That should give owners substantially more choice over time in highway, AT and winter replacements than the relatively unusual 255/55R21 size.

Complete assembly weight

This is another place where looking only at tire weight can be misleading.

The BFG tire itself is listed about 4 lb heavier than the Pirelli—36 vs. 32 lb. (Tire Rack⁠)

But Rivian gives the complete assemblies as:

20”: 64 lb

21”: 62 lb

So once the forged wheels are included, the actual difference is just 2 lb/corner, or 8 lb for the entire vehicle. (Gear Shop - Rivian⁠)

That’s a very small rotating-mass difference on a vehicle this size, especially during steady-state highway cruising.

What about efficiency?

On paper, you’d still expect the 21” Pirelli to win.

It has:
  • road-focused tread
  • narrower published tread width
  • ELECT EV optimization
  • 2-lb lighter assembly
  • less aggressive shoulders
And Rivian itself describes the 21” setup as the choice for “maximizing range.” (Gear Shop - Rivian⁠)

What’s fascinating is that a meaningful efficiency gap isn’t showing up in the real-world data we’ve gathered so far.

Across three R2 test drives, including sustained higher-speed testing approaching 80 mph, the 20s have performed remarkably close to the 21s. And the growing fleet dataset currently has the mature/high-mileage observations around roughly 2.78 mi/kWh for the 20s vs. ~2.73 for the 21s.

I would not interpret that as proof the BFG is inherently more efficient. The fleet sample isn’t a controlled A/B tire test, and differences of a few percent can easily come from routes, temperature, speed, wind, tire pressure and drivers.

But I think the evidence is now sufficient to say something narrower and more defensible:

There is currently no evidence of the large 20” efficiency penalty many of us expected.

A 0–2%-ish real-world difference looks considerably more plausible than something like 7–10%, based on the information available so far.

My take after looking at the tires themselves

The 21” remains the logical choice if your priorities are maximum theoretical efficiency, road handling and a more touring-oriented tire.

But the 20” package is turning out to be unusually compelling:

PriorityWinnerMaximum theoretical range21More sidewall / wheel protection20Rough roads / dirt20Load capacity20Lower replacement-tire cost20Replacement-tire choices20Road-focused wet/handling ratings21Weight21slightlyTread depthTieObserved efficiency so farEssentially a tie

The most interesting part may be what Rivian and BFG did with the 20. It’s a 32” AT-looking tire with only 8 mm of tread, modest assembly weight, an ok treadwear rating and a Rivian-specific construction. In other words, it appears engineered specifically to retain much of the durability/ride advantage of a 20” AT while avoiding the efficiency penalty associated with a traditional truck AT.

For someone who likes the ride and additional sidewall of the 20s, the accumulating data makes it increasingly difficult to justify choosing the 21s solely out of fear of losing substantial highway range.

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What a great post. Thank you.
 
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Maybe it's just me, but what I fail to see in a lot of these 20" vs 21" discussions is the initial $1000 investment needed for the 20". Yes, I know that currently there are more options out there for 20", but that will change in ~2 years as the base of R2's with 21" start to replace their set of tires and more manufacturers will come in to fill that gap. This is essentially what happened with the early R1's. It's deja-vu all over again...
This is how I see it play out dollar for dollar:
Description20" Wheel Package21" Wheel PackageNet worth delta/value
Total$5,248$4,508Pay $260 for 20"
Tires only$1,100$1,7680
Rims only$4,148$2,740Worth $1,400 more (20")
Total cost for 75,000 miles$3,200 (+1,000 + $2,200)$3,536 (0 + $3,536)Save $336 (20")
Cost per 100 miles$4.27$4.72Total 20" net savings: $1,476
This assumes the 20" and 21" have similar life spans, what's missing here is the Pirelli doesn't have a warranty and BFG does, so the delta is likely far greater, for example, the third 20" set may only cost $500...
 

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Maybe it's just me, but what I fail to see in a lot of these 20" vs 21" discussions is the initial $1000 investment needed for the 20". Yes, I know that currently there are more options out there for 20", but that will change in ~2 years as the base of R2's with 21" start to replace their set of tires and more manufacturers will come in to fill that gap. This is essentially what happened with the early R1's. It's deja-vu all over again...
Sure, there'll be more tires available in 21s, but they'll also be more expensive than the 20s. The 20" rims look much nicer and tires are much cheaper.
 

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I'm actually not so concerned with the costs, and more concerned with handling, road noise and efficiency loss with 20 over 21.

My understanding is that the BFGoodrich Trail-Terrain T/A+ is better than most when it comes to noise increase over time due to tread wear, but I've been hoping for more anecdotal reports from R2 owners with 20's at highway speeds.

My understanding BTW is that the OE tires both do not have the 3PMSE rating or any treadwear warranty due to the reduced tread depth. So both the Pirellis and the BFGoodrich tires are in the same boat with treadwear due to OE customizations.
 
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What a great post. Thank you.
Except it is 100% AI written and his AI slop doesn't have any data that backs up the claim that the 20s are as efficient as the 21s. They are not, per Rivian, and yet his AI still claims they are.

Please do not choose the 20s because you think he is right about the small efficiency difference. Trust Rivian's data and expect they will be 7%+ less efficient.

If you are OK with less efficient tires because of the other benefits, then it is a good decision. If you think Rivian is wrong about the difference? Prepare for disappointment.
 

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Except it is 100% AI written and his AI slop doesn't have any data that backs up the claim that the 20s are as efficient as the 21s. They are not, per Rivian, and yet his AI still claims they are.

Please do not choose the 20s because you think he is right about the small efficiency difference. Trust Rivian's data and expect they will be 7%+ less efficient.

If you are OK with less efficient tires because of the other benefits, then it is a good decision. If you think Rivian is wrong about the difference? Prepare for disappointment.
I would love to see what 'prompts' were used to produce that, because it does seem to be biased towards making the 20's look better.
 

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I'm actually not so concerned with the costs, and more concerned with handling, road noise and efficiency loss with 20 over 21.

My understanding is that the BFGoodrich Trail-Terrain T/A+ is better than most when it comes to noise increase over time due to tread wear, but I've been hoping for more anecdotal reports from R2 owners with 20's at highway speeds.

My understanding BTW is that the OE tires both do not have the 3PMSE rating or any treadwear warranty due to the reduced tread depth. So both the Pirellis and the BFGoodrich tires are in the same boat with treadwear due to OE customizations.
You are correct, the Rivian 20" BFG does not have 3PMSF. However, it does appear to have a 50K mile warranty according to the BFG website.
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Except it is 100% AI written and his AI slop doesn't have any data that backs up the claim that the 20s are as efficient as the 21s. They are not, per Rivian, and yet his AI still claims they are.

Please do not choose the 20s because you think he is right about the small efficiency difference. Trust Rivian's data and expect they will be 7%+ less efficient.

If you are OK with less efficient tires because of the other benefits, then it is a good decision. If you think Rivian is wrong about the difference? Prepare for disappointment.
I agree it's best to take Rivian's published efficiency into account when making your decision and prepare for a 7% less efficient wheel/tire. However, real world testing has shows Rivian's data to be inaccurate. The efficiency and range of the 21" wheels are just not there and the gap is less than 7%. We will see how this changes with time, maybe the two tires break in much differently. How many miles does it take, 2,000, 5,000? I don't think anyone has reported their efficiency after hitting 5,000 miles yet have they?
 

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You are correct, the Rivian 20" BFG does not have 3PMSF. However, it does appear to have a 50K mile warranty according to the BFG website.
Thanks!

I agree it's best to take Rivian's published efficiency into account when making your decision and prepare for a 7% less efficient wheel/tire. However, real world testing has shows Rivian's data to be inaccurate. The efficiency and range of the 21" wheels are just not there and the gap is less than 7%. We will see how this changes with time, maybe the two tires break in much differently. How many miles does it take, 2,000, 5,000? I don't think anyone has reported their efficiency after hitting 5,000 miles yet have they?
I haven't seen enough non-RivianRoamer data. RR is not trying to qualify mi/kWh against mph.

I could easily see different populations who think the 20's:

* are better for the off-roading I like to do
* will have more road noise at high speeds
* have a 7% hit to EPA range while I regularly need to travel longer distances

Meaning the 20's are bought by people who simply aren't averaging the same speed, in aggregate.
 
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I would love to see what 'prompts' were used to produce that, because it does seem to be biased towards making the 20's look better.
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AI written and his AI slop doesn't have any data that backs up the claim
AI opinions, particular crap AI like ChatGPT, mostly comes from opinions posted online. Since that's ultra reliable and unbiased, all good.
 

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However, real world testing has shows Rivian's data to be inaccurate.
What "real world testing" are you referring to? RR is NOT real world testing. It's dirty data without any context to help us analyze it. Is that what you are referring to?
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