Temerarius
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- First Name
- Chase
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- May 26, 2021
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- Kirkland, WA
- Vehicles
- 2017 Tesla Model X, 2018 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel
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- Sr. Program Manager
Sooooo.... one thing I have not seen called out in this all is "dealer markup". Just a quick sniff around the Seattle area shows a $5-$17k "dealer markup" on Ford EV products.
That said, I'm somewhat in the same place as you as I'm debating between the two.
I've trending R1T personally. I was going all in on the R1T (so the F150 I would spec was going to be a Platinum.. at which point the costs are about the same).
The biggest draws on the F150 for me is the bed size, the back seat, towing, V2H.
That said, I'm somewhat in the same place as you as I'm debating between the two.
I've trending R1T personally. I was going all in on the R1T (so the F150 I would spec was going to be a Platinum.. at which point the costs are about the same).
The biggest draws on the F150 for me is the bed size, the back seat, towing, V2H.
- Bed size: I don't often use the full bed on my Ram 1500 now, but when I do, it's nice to have. Not to mention, it's 21.5 inches high (so like, my cooler can fit back there and I can close the tonneau, I can't do that in the R1T).
- Back Seat: I haz dog, I being able to clear a flat open space I can put his bed in is a big deal. The R1T does not seem terribly well designed for this type of a situation. I am looking at a "foam block" of sorts that can go between the backseat and front seat to create a bit of a platform, but that's not terribly optimal.
- Towing: It's clearly rigged up, form the get go, to make towing as low stress as possible (built in scales, a UI that can build up a library of known trailers/impacts).
- Home Charing/V2H: At the "Max Pack" or whatever Ford calls it, you get that snappy 80Amp L2 and the capability to do V2H (both of which are pretty snappy).
- Size: For the same reason I like the F150, it is also a problem. It won't fit in my garage, and parking a full sized truck, kinda sucks, especially as this would replace not just my current truck, but also my daily driver. When trying to park my current truck in the suburban shopping hell that I live near... it's... nose bleed time. So, having a smaller overall size (length and width) is a plus.
- Range: I have a Tesla X 100D that get "315" miles of range... but.. it doesn't (for one, it has the 22 inch aero's on it, so.. there went like 10% of my range). As such, in my experience, 300 miles is juuuuuuuust enough to be right on that cut point between "I can make it to destination X with no worries" and "SHIIIIIIT I'M NOT GUNNA MAKE IT, where's a charger?!". So, the 400 mile pack is a big deal for me, even if I'm not using it every day, it will spare a bit of annoyance (and side glances from my wife) when doing road trips.
- Charging Rate: F150 caps at 150Kw charging rate (as I understand it). It's bigger than, weighs more than, and has worse aero than the R1T. Thus, I expect that 300 mile pack in the F150 will probably be just a bit smaller than the MAX Pack in the R1T. That's a lot of juice to replace on a slower charger.
- Suspension: I love me some air ride. Not only does it allow for setting the truck up dynamically to tackle terrain and environmental conditions as needed, but also allows for better aero at highway speeds. Add in the crazy hydraulic system they put in the R1T to keep her level... that's a pretty tasty mix.
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