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They have already sold out of their special edition launch vehicle with a price tag of $105,000, though of course no actual numbers of how many they are making are provided. Fall 2023 for non-commercial customer deliveries.

Regardless, it seems like $100,000 is the base price of the initial trim that will go on sale.

A dual motor max pack R1T is going to be pretty comparable in price. Maybe the max pack R1T will come back closer to 425 miles of range. I mean GM was estimating 400 miles this entire time for the Silverado EV. They could have been purposely sandbagging as well. Maybe so is Rivian?

Either way, good competition.
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I believe what you are posting are commercial/fleet truck trims, which are coming out first to non-retail is my understanding.

I meant the first available retail trim, which based on the two websites below is $105,000.

https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/silverado-ev/reservation

"While 2024 First-Edition RST reservations are full..."

https://electrek.co/2022/10/05/how-much-does-the-chevy-silverado-ev-really-cost/

"Chevy released a special Silverado EV RST First Edition that sold out almost immediately with a price tag upwards of $105,000."

I think Ford did the same with the Lightning, fleet customers got lower price trims first and then retail.

I believe the RST FE comes out this fall and the following spring the 3/4wt will ship.
 

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As I read it the Silverado may not be such an advantage for towing. A payload of 1200 pounds? With a family of 4 (500lb min?) and a trailer with tongue weight of 600lb, you could carry another 100lb in the bed!

The new Tacoma has a 1700 lb payload as is I believe most R1Ts are.

It seems like they are running into the same problem that Rivian did with the max pack. Adding cells increases the weight so much that payload is reduced to a point so as to make the truck less useful for many use cases for which extended range is important.
 

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This was posted on another site:

CanadaU.S. Equivalent
Highway4.0 Le/100 km59 MPGe
Combined3.7 Le/100 km64 MPGe
City31.1 kWh/100 km50.5 kWh/100 miles
Highway35.7 kWh/100 km58.0 kWh/100 miles
Combined33.2 kWh/100 km53.9 kWh/100 miles
Range724 km450 miles
Recharge Time (240V)12.7 hours12.7 hours

450 miles is impressive, but based on these numbers, I am guessing that is with a 245 kWh battery (242 usable).
 

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Seems about right assuming the same 212kWh pack that is in the Hummer. Still ugly though but if you need to tow long distances this seems like a better option than the lightning or the R1T
The GMC version is fantastic looking. I like it much more than the aero-inspired Chevy.

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This was posted on another site:

CanadaU.S. Equivalent
Highway4.0 Le/100 km59 MPGe
Combined3.7 Le/100 km64 MPGe
City31.1 kWh/100 km50.5 kWh/100 miles
Highway35.7 kWh/100 km58.0 kWh/100 miles
Combined33.2 kWh/100 km53.9 kWh/100 miles
Range724 km450 miles
Recharge Time (240V)12.7 hours12.7 hours

450 miles is impressive, but based on these numbers, I am guessing that is with a 245 kWh battery (242 usable).
EPA MPGe includes losses to charging. Silverado uses the same 212kWh usable the Hummer does. For the record, my Hummer EV reported 214.5 kWh usable with the dealer tools.
 

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The E Silverado is looking like a good possibility for towing a heavy trailer. The final verdict on its towing range is yet to come. The greatest towing weak spot with the E Silverado is its rather puny payload. The E Silverado's payload is 1300# with 664#/ft of torque. Our R1T has a payload of 1711# with 908#/ft of torque.

The Airstream that we tow has a 940# tongue weight. The E Silverado would not leave us much carrying capacity. If we wanted to tow the Airstream with the E Silverado, SuEllyn and I would have to lose some weight if we wanted to carry anything in the E Silverado. I think that we will stick with the R1T.

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I guess I'm mostly interested in this figure: 53.9 kWh/100 miles, or 1.85 miles/kwh.

More battery to advertise more range is sorta relevant. But, it's not a free trade off.
 

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EPA MPGe includes losses to charging. Silverado uses the same 212kWh usable the Hummer does. For the record, my Hummer EV reported 214.5 kWh usable with the dealer tools.
It seems like there is something fishy about these numbers. I assume the Silverado is more efficient aerodynamically, and maybe less weight (?) than the Hummer, but It is hard to see how they are basically getting a 37% range increase with the same usable battery capacity. I know some Hummer owners claim to get more range than EPA, so maybe they underestimated the Hummer, but by that much?
 

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I don't tow anything, but from what I've seen of DC fast chargers in my travels there haven't been many places I've stopped that would easily fit the truck + trailer for charging. For those who are towing trailers, how are you managing that? The RAN charger I used in Sacramento had one space that was pull through but even that looked to be a tight fit especially with a full parking lot.

Assuming you had to travel more than 150-200 miles one way and needed to charge it seems like it could be a pain to deal with.
I towed a trailer 400 miles (NC coast to Ashville) - it was a pain in the you know what. The range was cut in half and I had to unhook the trailer a couple of times in order to charge.
 

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It seems like there is something fishy about these numbers. I assume the Silverado is more efficient aerodynamically, and maybe less weight (?) than the Hummer, but It is hard to see how they are basically getting a 37% range increase with the same usable battery capacity. I know some Hummer owners claim to get more range than EPA, so maybe they underestimated the Hummer, but by that much?
Hummer's windshield is a disaster for aero. As are the tires. As is the frontal area of the entire vehicle. This is the Silverado that can achieve those numbers.
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This is the R1T compared to the Hummer.
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Externally it's just a much larger vehicle even if the platform is the same.
 

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Hummer's windshield is a disaster for aero. As are the tires. As is the frontal area of the entire vehicle. This is the Silverado that can achieve those numbers.
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This is the R1T compared to the Hummer.
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Externally it's just a much larger vehicle even if the platform is the same.
I suppose that is true. Tires alone could be 10-15%.
 

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An interesting problem with the giant battery packs is simply they take longer to charge - especially if you're not using a DCFC.

Imagine you get home after dinner, plug in your new Silverado or Ram Rev, and wait 15 hours for it to charge to 80%.

I think Rivian's real competition is going to be the electric Tacoma/Ranger/Canyon
This is not really a good argument. The Silverado is similar to the R1S, having a larger battery does not mean you need to charge it every day to 75 or 80%. The battery is there if you need it but day to day charging would take about the same time as the R1S.

In reality most of the charging would be faster than the R1S even at 400 volts as the larger battery would stay higher in the charge curve longer. If it is 450 at 100% and you went on a trip charging to 300 miles you would stay under 70% so always in the high range on the curve.
 

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Another way of restating what sanzco2 just said:

When you get any EV home and plug it in, it doesn't empty out the battery pack and then recharge it from empty. It only has to charge long enough to replenish the battery that you used in your driving during the day. That amount will be slightly higher in a vehicle that is less efficient because it has a heavier battery...but that will be a small difference.

L2 charging time depends mostly on how far you drive, rather than battery size. Large-battery vehicles do have some disadvantages (weight, cost, opportunity cost), but extended charging time is not one of them.
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